Yes I think it is very wise, whether a candidate can guess the next shape in the sequence has no relavence to whether they can fly an aircraft, also could mean the difference from a free trip to HK or not. If nothing else this whole process is extremely good interview experience.

Also this : YouTube - Cadet Pilot Interview Rebuttal#!

the video is pure gold, DDobinpilot

just my very humble opinion..... raven has nothing to do with flying, but then it's very easy, don't think it's the bit that's stopping anyone anyway

that said, there's no harm knowing about the test knowing what to expect, and relieve yourself of some worrying as there's much to do on the day. (not going to comment on the free trip to hk as i don't get that :{ )

for anyone who has yet to take the raven, don't worry about it, they don't need you to be 100% correct on it anyway. it's good help with some exercise but you'll survive without, and....

GOOD LUCK EVERYONE (don't forget KA closes application end of nov)

Herrtob, if youre applying for DragonAir, I presume you have a HKID?

yes i do, don't i need that for CX too?

Where have you been mate?? The Cathay scheme went international last year

Guess you have not been keeping up to date either.

Taken from another thread. May be true may not, CX can probably buy their way out of it somehow though. Lets see if any more cadet courses with expats start in the near future for an indication of how seriously the company are taking it.

well, there are still alot iCadets in the training pipeline

then what? CX gonna expel them from Adelaide NOW??

If they can find no way around it YES as it is a waste of money for them unless they have signed something with the training provider as it would stand up in AUS unlike HKG. This is a company that goes to amazing lengths to save a few bucks so 100% if they can't find a way around it and they have no legal obligation to finish the training they will stop training the cadets. I expect they may wait to see what they can do with the next group that graduate before doing anything though.

SW1 i'm in the cx candidate pool , just being hindered by some stuff and file put on pending

Sloppy Joe - what was the reason for opening up the scheme to expats in the first place?

It's a genuine question - is there really a lack of suitable HK candidates?

I may be barking up the wrong tree, but I suspect it's why the likes of Etihad and Qatar have started looking outside their back yard for cadet pilots (both had a policy of only sourcing nationals for their cadet programmes).

lack of suitable hk candidates is one

but cost saving is really the biggie

The only reason they don't get enough HK candidates is that the pay and conditions are so poor as a career they would rather go into business.:suspect:

CX pilot rebuttle ;o)
 

Ddobin... haha thats soo funny love it! have you heard anything for stage 2? when will they post tickets and stuff...

Guys I have been reading the recent negative posts on here and I think people are wasting their time posting them.

I can only speak for myself but I think people are wise enough to make their own decisions doesn't matter if you think its right or wrong people will always want to find out for themselves... as they say the grass is always greener on the other side!

If you think that the living and working conditions at CX are as bad as some of the posts are making it out to be why don't you politely move on to other carriers (if your at CX) and make space for people like me:p that are genuinely interested in working for CX.

I believe CX is one of the world's best airlines with its safety record and they provide excellent training. You don't get to that position by treating your staff badly and reporting a record profit... so they must be doing something right!

There are far more worst airlines I can think of that expect you to pay for all your training including type rating and some are even charging for line training these days so the CX deal with no housing is not all that bad...

Living in HK is expensive but you can rent places for around £1000/m and you don't need to live in a mansion just because you're a pilot.

Now lets try and keep things positive on this thread and share the info for the selection which is the purpose of this thread!!!!

Here's a few links of the guys/girls that have gone through the selection and training and are now working as SO's on 747/A340 :ok:

YouTube - Flight Grading CP27

YouTube - CP31 Batch 2 Flight Grading

Its not all that bad and there is light at the end of the tunnel you just have to get there!!!!

Happy landings...

FTP

Your joking right?? You know absolutely nothing about working here if not.

WITH housing allowance it makes it worthwhile but think about this. Why are the majority of CX pilots based, they gave up housing allowance to go back home and pay 30-40% tax rather than 15% here. That is well over a 50% paycut. Think about that for a minute and you may start to understand that people saying there are better places than HKG and CX are actually telling the truth.

I dislike you because of this comment. I and all of the guys I work with worked hard to get where we are and I expect to be paid well for the job I do. Its people like you with your, OMG I am gonna fly a big airliner and will do anything you want if you give me that chance, attitude that will lower conditions for everyone, move over so I can do it for less, as you stated earlier :yuk:

The fact is, every air carrier in the world today is finding ways to save every dollar, not only CX. I am not disagreeing with anyone here, I'm on your side also, but it makes total sense for any business to make things work to their advantage. This issue applies to all the job positions in the company. The management in every company is there to just look at numbers, and figure out ways to make the numbers bigger, I don't blame them, because companies need to survive, so does our career. Airlines do compete with each other, so they do similar actions on their employees to save money. However, I know it just sucks to be the pilots because we spent more time, effort, and money than the other positions on obtaining our qualifications. Today is different from before, pretty much everybody has access to flight training, in other words, anyone can become a pilot as long as the money and time is there. In the States, there are several carriers where the pilots pay the company for an FO position, and there are still pilots who are willing to do it. No interview involved, just a payment, and a training, then you're on the right seat. Rich parents are willing pay for their kids to play airline pilot. Imagine the amount of money they're saving on the pilots, OH, I meant, the amount they're "making from" the pilots. The aviation industry is shifting to a different direction, unlike in the past, when being a pilot was more like being a doctor. In the States, a regional airline pilot has a salary lower than any job you can imagine, but people are still fighting for this job of their dream. Therefore, there is absolutely no problem for any airline to recruit pilots, why should they worry if kids are willing to pay to work as a pilot?

Unless there are new regulations being written up to regulate how companies pay their pilots. We can't really do much as pilots, but to find an airline that's more suitable for our needs.

hey guys,
bit of a random question but when you do the aptitude tests can you use the same hand on the joystick each time or do they test control with both left and right?
thanks!

holdmetight:
so how is your selection process so far?

yeah, he's been quiet ever since he went flight grading on 14th Nov..

http://finance.yahoo.com/news/Qantas....html?x=0&.v=4

Nothing beats a qualified, experienced pilot. Pay attention management.

SYDNEY (Reuters) - Pilots of a crippled Qantas Airbus A380 superjumbo struggled with more than a dozen system errors after an engine blew apart on Nov 4 and landed the plane in Singapore with barely any runway to spare, an Australian investigation showed.
In fact, the plane may have been so badly damaged that the five pilots, with a combined 72,000 hours of flying experience, may have saved the day.
"The aircraft would not have arrived safely in Singapore without the focused and effective action of the flight crew," Martin Dolan, the Australian Transport Safety Bureau's Chief Commissioner, said on Friday.
As the Rolls-Royce Trent 900 engine blew apart over Batam Island, Indonesia, minutes after take-off, fragments ripped though parts of the wing, puncturing fuel, hydraulic and electronic systems and leaving the plane with limited flight controls, the ATSB said in a report.
But the magnitude of the damage became clear only when the co-pilot walked through the cabin and a passenger, another pilot, showed him a picture from a camera mounted on the plane's tail and fed into the onboard entertainment system.
The picture showed the Airbus was leaving a trail of fluid behind -- most likely fuel and perhaps hydraulic fluid -- from a puncture through the wing.
As the plane lost fuel quickly, its center of gravity also started to shift, presenting another problem. But the crew could not shift fuel as required as it was not clear how badly the fuel system was damaged, the report said.
There were so many warnings, it took pilots 50 minutes just to complete the required responses before they could prepare the plane for landing.
The number of errors was such that computers calculating landing data could not handle them all. Pilots removed some options, hoping that would still be enough to make an accurate call.
With the plane coming in at 440 tons, about 50 tons heavier than its maximum landing weight, the computer eventually concluded it would stop with just 100 meters of runway to spare at Singapore's Changi Airport, the report said.
But 100 meters was enough for the crew and they opted to land instead of dumping fuel, which would further upset the plane's balance.
The A380 "remained controllable" as its prepared to land, but it lost many of its systems which controlled pitch, speed and braking, so pilots asked the cabin crew to prepare for an emergency evacuation as they risked a runway overrun, it said.
The Airbus stopped with just 150 meters of concrete left, brakes heated to 900 degrees Celsius and four blown tires.
In addition, it was gushing fuel and one of its engines refused to shut down for over two hours, until fire crews drowned it with foam.
Pilots eventually decided against evacuation and kept passengers on the plane for another hour as fire crews secured the A380.

I came back from flight grading nearly two weeks ago, got called and given the nod a few days back.