CAE NFTI(GONDIA)..REALITY CHECK!
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Joseph, A lot has changed since you passed out.
presently 220 students and 4 serviceable aircraft. So that gives an aircraft to student ratio of 1:60 approx.
Add to that the harrasment to students.
Hot water connections switched off ..The facility manager's excuse..You don't need hot water in summer..Mind you some have sorties at 0700 in the morning.
Very limited transport to the airport/Campus..Students have to walk in the hot sun in 47 deg heat to the airport/Campus if they miss their transport if they had a long debrief.
Staff acts as if they do you a favour by giving you slots.
Simulator is down
All treadmills in the gym are down (Actually switched off because of cost cutting)
presently 220 students and 4 serviceable aircraft. So that gives an aircraft to student ratio of 1:60 approx.
Add to that the harrasment to students.
Hot water connections switched off ..The facility manager's excuse..You don't need hot water in summer..Mind you some have sorties at 0700 in the morning.
Very limited transport to the airport/Campus..Students have to walk in the hot sun in 47 deg heat to the airport/Campus if they miss their transport if they had a long debrief.
Staff acts as if they do you a favour by giving you slots.
Simulator is down
All treadmills in the gym are down (Actually switched off because of cost cutting)
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@Xyzaine
please read this recent post News article highlighting the concerns of unemployed Indian pilots
in case you still want to go for training,
then its better to go to US. the benefit being you can complete your training before your fellow here 
and then can soon proceed towards ATPL exams and then depending on your luck and your willingness to study you might get to sit at the right seat of an airbus/boeing else on a couch at your home.
please read this recent post News article highlighting the concerns of unemployed Indian pilots
in case you still want to go for training,
then its better to go to US. the benefit being you can complete your training before your fellow here and then can soon proceed towards ATPL exams and then depending on your luck and your willingness to study you might get to sit at the right seat of an airbus/boeing else on a couch at your home.
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I guess we cannot go for ATPL papers directly after gtng CPL for from US. we need to convert license first. & why do you think training is US is better than that in India?
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dude it is not just abt money..... it is about flying... u will not get in call center wht u get in flying.. If you want to bcum pilot to earn money thn u r at wrong place... better u go & work in call center.
many students look for cheapest school why ? would you do the same if you were planning to an MBA or BE.
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@ noob crossbase
There will be no jobs for you in future that's for sure.
the way you are judging your school is as if you are some high class auditor
the reason why you are crying out is that you cannot clear your papers and right now you are sitting like ducks over there.
As far as Qatar is concerned, again you are acting as though you were present during the signing of MoU.and that Qatar airways just called you that they are not interested before writing this on PPRuNe
what on earth is this attitude.?
in order to know that this is for real or not
-clear your CPL first(which you are having a hard time doing it)
-clear your ATPL and MCC
-inform Qatar airlines that you meet the requirement and ready to procced with the induction process
and FYI ..there were 6 TRE/TRI's with 6000+ hrs during the induction processes of Qatar along with our friend from NFTI who had only 200hrs.
Stop judging Instructors,
Instead of knowing HOW are they teaching ,first know WHAT are they trying to teach
Mind, in IGRUA the instructors, they'll hit you in the cockpit;no doubt they make world class pilots who end up in AI.
There are no jobs today, and probably will not exist in the foreseeable future. Any jobs that did exist till a few months ago have gone away with the Air India/Kingfisher fiasco.
the way you are judging your school is as if you are some high class auditor
the reason why you are crying out is that you cannot clear your papers and right now you are sitting like ducks over there.
As far as Qatar is concerned, again you are acting as though you were present during the signing of MoU.and that Qatar airways just called you that they are not interested before writing this on PPRuNe
As far as airline contracts go it looks bad right now.
in order to know that this is for real or not
-clear your CPL first(which you are having a hard time doing it)
-clear your ATPL and MCC
-inform Qatar airlines that you meet the requirement and ready to procced with the induction process
and FYI ..there were 6 TRE/TRI's with 6000+ hrs during the induction processes of Qatar along with our friend from NFTI who had only 200hrs.
The flight instructors, though decent (not very good, just reasonably OK), are mostly fine, except two-three who train you well. They're all very extremely good pilots, but not at the same high level while instructing. Instruction varies, not only how it is delivered but also what is delivered causing confusion during checkrides. Shouting and screaming at trainees is regular. Only one or two know can deal properly with all kind of students. On the positive side they're honest, unlike management.
Instead of knowing HOW are they teaching ,first know WHAT are they trying to teach
Mind, in IGRUA the instructors, they'll hit you in the cockpit;no doubt they make world class pilots who end up in AI.
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@ planeboy777....All those who are from NFTI in this blog always wanted to represent this institution...always wanted to proudly say that we are from NFTI...most of the chaps have proudly written on the fb profiles "training at NFTI"....but this institution has always let us down...probably because of the way things are being managed here....we fought..we argued..we compromised too...but things never changed....We realised how bad the situation was when we entered the flight school....and FOR YOUR INFORMATION....almost all the views posted here on this blog are by those NFTI students who have cleared all the papers or are left with one paper(also it doesnt matter if you clear papers or not..still u will get flying only if ur lucky enuff and if u can beg)....Don't judge us...I KNOW IT'S VERY CONVINIENT FOR YOU TO BLAME US WHEN YOU YOURSELF ARE JUST MONITORING CIRCUIT LANDINGS IN AN A32O SOMEWHERE OVER AHMEDABAD(making call outs like "manflex SRS RWY autothrottle blue)....come here and talk to all the flying cadets..you will hear the same views which are posted here.....and to tell you...WE ARE NOT GOING DOWN...WE WILL FIGHT AND WE WILL BRING BACK NFTI'S GLORY DAYS.
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@ the 737 guy
I recommend you train abroad.
If you insist on India, Then run far far away from NFTI.
Illusion : A sweet female voice asking you to join NFTI and all job contracts promised as well as A 320 type rating discounts and world class facilities and flying everyday.
Reality : Once you join ..A harsh old man asking you to leave the institution if you cannot cough up the 6 lakhs as a part of increase in fees and you begging the staff at flight school for slots. No type rating discounts.
Overworked and tired fleet of DA 40's always in maintenance.
Flight kit is substandard and incomplete. The flight bags promised were Jeppessen's What students got were low quality English Book Store flight bags. Headsets changed from David Clark to cheaper Sennheiser. No foggles in stock
Icing on the cake : Once you finished your 17 months time limit...With hardly 100 hours ....They throw you out of the hostel .... Saying its as per the signed contract.
Avoid this school like plague.
If you insist on India, Then run far far away from NFTI.
Illusion : A sweet female voice asking you to join NFTI and all job contracts promised as well as A 320 type rating discounts and world class facilities and flying everyday.
Reality : Once you join ..A harsh old man asking you to leave the institution if you cannot cough up the 6 lakhs as a part of increase in fees and you begging the staff at flight school for slots. No type rating discounts.
Overworked and tired fleet of DA 40's always in maintenance.
Flight kit is substandard and incomplete. The flight bags promised were Jeppessen's What students got were low quality English Book Store flight bags. Headsets changed from David Clark to cheaper Sennheiser. No foggles in stock
Icing on the cake : Once you finished your 17 months time limit...With hardly 100 hours ....They throw you out of the hostel .... Saying its as per the signed contract.
Avoid this school like plague.
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@737 guy
Sorry dude..I would not recommend any institution that I have not experienced first hand.....
The best thing to do is go to the flight school and personally talk to the cadets. They will give you a ton of info.
And do not believe the marketing chaps. That's something I fell for.
I do not talk in terms of quality. The quality of FLIGHT TRAINING at NFTI is good.
But the lies and harassment is just too much.
It is a sad case of a wonderful institution grossly mismanaged .
All the best for your training
Sorry dude..I would not recommend any institution that I have not experienced first hand.....
The best thing to do is go to the flight school and personally talk to the cadets. They will give you a ton of info.
And do not believe the marketing chaps. That's something I fell for.
I do not talk in terms of quality. The quality of FLIGHT TRAINING at NFTI is good.
But the lies and harassment is just too much.
It is a sad case of a wonderful institution grossly mismanaged .
All the best for your training
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Hi,
To be honest, I don't know why everyone's so eager to train abroad.
I'm an IGRUA alumnus and yes, life wasn't as cushy as it could have have been if I was in the USA or Canada, but the one thing we were always, always assured of was the quality of training.
Ground class took 4 months. 4 months of studying what I would eventually see and do in the cockpit and it helped! and how! I cribbed and complained then and believed that the guys who chose to go abroad were wiser but I couldn't have been further from the truth! what I learnt then holds me in good stead now. I don't know of any flight school abroad, let alone in India, which conducts ground classes as well as IGRUA.
I read earlier about someone wondering as to where we'd land in case we had an engine failure, are you saying, say in the US, you'd always be withing gliding distance of a suitable aerodrome?
Flying training, atleast at IGRUA was very good. Yes, there were times where we didn't get to fly for a day, tops two, but we had an efficient flight management and rostering process in place and everyone who chose to fly, flew! The instructors took pains to teach us, as said earlier, also ended up hitting a few of us but that was all part of the game! It helped!
This post isn't intended to be an IGRUA vs. NFTI post, heck, for that matter, there were times when we, at IGRUA felt you guys at NFTI had it easy.
This is just to let everyone who's encouraging people to train abroad know that training in India isn't as bad, it saves you the trouble of conversion for starters and the standards are much much higher!
To be honest, I don't know why everyone's so eager to train abroad.
I'm an IGRUA alumnus and yes, life wasn't as cushy as it could have have been if I was in the USA or Canada, but the one thing we were always, always assured of was the quality of training.
Ground class took 4 months. 4 months of studying what I would eventually see and do in the cockpit and it helped! and how! I cribbed and complained then and believed that the guys who chose to go abroad were wiser but I couldn't have been further from the truth! what I learnt then holds me in good stead now. I don't know of any flight school abroad, let alone in India, which conducts ground classes as well as IGRUA.
I read earlier about someone wondering as to where we'd land in case we had an engine failure, are you saying, say in the US, you'd always be withing gliding distance of a suitable aerodrome?
Flying training, atleast at IGRUA was very good. Yes, there were times where we didn't get to fly for a day, tops two, but we had an efficient flight management and rostering process in place and everyone who chose to fly, flew! The instructors took pains to teach us, as said earlier, also ended up hitting a few of us but that was all part of the game! It helped!
This post isn't intended to be an IGRUA vs. NFTI post, heck, for that matter, there were times when we, at IGRUA felt you guys at NFTI had it easy.
This is just to let everyone who's encouraging people to train abroad know that training in India isn't as bad, it saves you the trouble of conversion for starters and the standards are much much higher!
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hmmmm... just wondering about the FOOD at NFTI now... hope they dont have any cost cutting plans for the cafeteria section... come on, FOOD is of great concern and importance!!
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Guyz, i know this not the relevant place to ask this question, but just let me put it!
How do youll see indian aviation in another 3 years time? Is it wise to take up flying next year?
How do youll see indian aviation in another 3 years time? Is it wise to take up flying next year?
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Only 2 aircraft were operational today.All others were in maintenance.
Same story tomorrow.
Cost cutting is taken to new levels as the air conditioning is switched off in canteen.
Repeated mails to CAE officials in Canada are not heeded.
You need a minister or an actor in the campus to get them here.
CAE Global academy ? world class institution ? Sheesh !
Same story tomorrow.
Cost cutting is taken to new levels as the air conditioning is switched off in canteen.
Repeated mails to CAE officials in Canada are not heeded.
You need a minister or an actor in the campus to get them here.
CAE Global academy ? world class institution ? Sheesh !
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sad story of a world class institution...stupid cost cutting measures and that too when we pay extra for electricity.It clearly goes to show the failure of the local authorities to manage this institution.Some strong steps need to be taken by CAE CANADA to bring back things on track and it's not an uphill task.We fail to understand why these cost cutting measures are being taken when the institute is getting almost close to 30 students in every batch(and i am sure all of them are paying...nobody walks in for free here..lol).where are the those aircrafts....Our Institute has got state of the art infrastructure and i am proud of that (except for the tiny aircraft fleet)..but it's being managed in the worst possible way.As mentioned in the last post by chetak...we only had 2 aircrafts flying today(rest 6 in the maintenance and one multi).I still maintain that things could be improved if CAE CANADA steps and takes stock of the situation.
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and bye the way i ll tell youabout training service agreement which nfti wants you to sign during joining. they change what ever points they want to and says it is applicable and you have to accept .include fees food etc . this post is for new admission guys . i ask then what is the need of agreement then?