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Old 4th Sep 2011, 19:39
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1. Among the foll. functions of an autopilot, those related to the airplane stabilization are?
1. Pitch attitude holding
2. Horizontal wing holding
3. Displayed heading or inertial track holding
4. Indicated airspeed or Mach number holding
5. Yam damping
6. VOR axis holding

KW answer: 1,2,5.
AT site answer: 1,2
Are you sure that you are comparing identical questions?

The closest that I can find to the one you describe is question number 578 in the AUTOFLIGHT section of INSTRUMENTS in my CD. In this question each of the options has at least 3 statements listed as being correct and some of them have 4. It is not possible to select 1,2 in this question.




2. In automatic landing mode, when the two autopilots are used, the system is considered?
1. "Fail Survival" or without failure effect with function always ensured.
2. "Fail Passive" or without failure effect but with disconnection

KW answer: 2
AT site answer: 1
If you have studied a recognised set of ATPL course manuals you should have no problem in identifying the correct answer to this question. If you have not done so then a GOOGLE search for AUTOLAND or AUTOMATIC LANDING SYSTEMS may help.

The term "FAIL SURVIVAL" is not a recognised autoland system failure mode.

I have listed the recognised modes and their meanings in the explanation to this question in my CD.
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@Keith, thanks for the explanation.
However, I did look up the term "Fail Survival" on google, and it stated that it is the same as "Fail Operational", which is why I was unclear on what the correct choice of answer is, for that particular question.

Some more:

1. At sea level, on a typical servo altimeter, the tolerance in feet from indicated must not exceed:
a. +/-60 feet
b. +/-30 feet
KW answer: b
AT answer: a

2. The altitude indicated on board an aircraft flying in an atmosphere where all the atmospheric layers below the aircraft are warm is?
a. Higher than the real altitude
b. Lower than the real altitude.

Both, KW and the AT site mark (a) as the answer; however, in a similarly worded question, only difference being in the end, instead of "below the aircraft are warm", this question reads "...below the aircraft are cold", and KW still marks the answer as "Higher than the real altitude".

What are the correct answers for them both?

3. With a constant weight, irrespective of the airfield altitude, an aircraft always takes off at the same?
a. EAS
b. CAS
c. TAS
d. GS
The site marks (b) as the answer.

Another similarly worded question on the site:
With constant weight and configuration, an aircraft always takes off at the same?
a. EAS
b. TAS
c. IAS
d. GS
Here, the site marks (a) as the answer.

4. The altimeter is supplied with?
a. Static pressure
b. Dynamic pressure
Answer marked is (a)
Another similarly worded question on the site:
Given:
Pt = Total pressure
Ps = Static pressure
Pd = Dynamic pressure
The altimeter is fed by:
a. Pt - Pd
b. Pd
c. Pd - Ps
d. Ps - Pt
Answer marked is (b)

5. Given:
Ts is the static temperature (SAT)
Tt is the total temperature (TAT)
M is the Mach number
The total temperature can be expressed approximately by the formula:
a. Tt = Ts(1+0.2KrM2)
b. Tt = Ts(1+0.2M2)

KW answer: (a)
AT site answer: (b)

6. Following 180° stabilized turn with a constant attitude and bank, the artificial horizon indicates?
a. Too high pitch up and correct banking
b. Too high pitch up and too low banking

My answer: (a)
AT site answer: (b)

7. A turn indicator is built around a gyroscope with?
a. 1 degree of freedom
b. 2 degrees of freedom

My answer: (a)
AT site answer: (b)
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I have carried out a search of my CD and have found the following:

1. At sea level, on a typical servo altimeter, the tolerance in feet from indicated must not exceed:
a. +/-60 feet
b. +/-30 feet
KW answer: b
AT answer: a
The correct answer to this question is +- 30 feet as stated in my CD. Older mechanical altimeters achieved something like +/- 60 feet.

2. The altitude indicated on board an aircraft flying in an atmosphere where all the atmospheric layers below the aircraft are warm is?
a. Higher than the real altitude
b. Lower than the real altitude.

Both, KW and the AT site mark (a) as the answer; however, in a similarly worded question, only difference being in the end, instead of "below the aircraft are warm", this question reads "...below the aircraft are cold", and KW still marks the answer as "Higher than the real altitude".

What are the correct answers for them both?
In the ALTITUDE section of the INSTRUMENTS questions I found the following:

Questions 71, and 91 refer to air that is warmer than standard. In both cases the answers state the the altimiter indication will be too low. These are the correct answers.

Questions 70, 92 and 100 refer to air that is colder than satnadrd. In both cases the answers state that the altimeter indication will be too high. These are the correct answers.


5. Given:
Ts is the static temperature (SAT)
Tt is the total temperature (TAT)
M is the Mach number
The total temperature can be expressed approximately by the formula:
a. Tt = Ts(1+0.2KrM2)
b. Tt = Ts(1+0.2M2)

KW answer: (a)
AT site answer: (b)
In the TEMPERATURE section of INSTRUMENTS question 892 asks for the correct equation. This (like all of the other questions in my CD) is a real JAA CQB question. None of the options include Kr. When taking the exam you can only pick from the options listed. Because none of them included Kr it is not possible inlcude this in your answer. The answer given in my Cd is the most correct of those offered in the question.

In reallity the correct equation is Tt = TS(1 + 0.2KrM squared) where KR is the Ram Recovery Factor for the total air temperature probe. For a modern Rosemount Probe Kr is 1 and this is why it is often omitted from the equation. This is probably why the author of the question omitted it.


Following 180° stabilized turn with a constant attitude and bank, the artificial horizon indicates?
a. Too high pitch up and correct banking
b. Too high pitch up and too low banking

My answer: (a)
AT site answer: (b)
In the GYROS section of INSTRUMENTS question 301 indicates that the correct answer to this question is "Too high pitch up and too low bank angle". This is the correct answer.

Your comments appear to have misquotedmy CD on a number of occasions. This may be related to the fact that you are using option letters to indicate the answers. Each time you select a question in my CD the program reshuffles the options. This means that the correct option letter is different every time. But the correct answer is indicated each time.

If the above comments have not clarrified the situation sufficiently please indicate the numbers of the questions to which you refer. I can then look at them again.

I have not commented on the AT website answers because I have not looked at it in any detail. Having looked at it very briefly I observed that it does not provide any explanations. Because of this I immediately lost interest in it.
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In the TEMPERATURE section of INSTRUMENTS question 892 asks for the correct equation. This (like all of the other questions in my CD) is a real JAA CQB question. None of the options include Kr. When taking the exam you can only pick from the options listed. Because none of them included Kr it is not possible inlcude this in your answer. The answer given in my Cd is the most correct of those offered in the question.

In reallity the correct equation is Tt = TS(1 + 0.2KrM squared) where KR is the Ram Recovery Factor for the total air temperature probe. For a modern Rosemount Probe Kr is 1 and this is why it is often omitted from the equation. This is probably why the author of the question omitted it.
So, if there were these two choices, what should be the correct answer - one that has Kr in it, or the one without?

Keith, I don't have any of your CDs; I do, however, have your "Instruments" book, but the 2005 revision.

If you have access to that book, have a look at page 51, Qs 4 and Q7. The answer to Q7 is incorrect; the correct answer (according to you, and which is correct) is (d).

In the GYROS section of INSTRUMENTS question 301 indicates that the correct answer to this question is "Too high pitch up and too low bank angle". This is the correct answer.
Have a look at page 123, Q12.
The answer marked (and I agree, that it is correct) is (c). How then, is the answer to the question posted "Too high pitch up and too low bank"?

Your Instruments book doesn't seem to cover topics such as VOR, DME, ADF, Radar, ILS, etc. Do your other books cover these?

Thanks for taking the time to reply to the questions posted. I appreciate it.
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So, if there were these two choices, what should be the correct answer - one that has Kr in it, or the one without?
The correct equation includes Kr so if the options include Tt = Ts(1 +0.2 KrMsquared) you should select it. But if none of the options include KR then you should select Tt = Ts(1 + 0.2Msquared).

Keith, I don't have any of your CDs; I do, however, have your "Instruments" book, but the 2005 revision.
OK now we can understand each other.

If you have access to that book, have a look at page 51, Qs 4 and Q7. The answer to Q7 is incorrect; the correct answer (according to you, and which is correct) is (d).
Q4 is about cold air and the correct option is option d which is, "Higher than the real altitude".

Q7 is about warmer air and the correct option is option d which is, "Lower than the real altitude".

They are both correct and there is no contradiction. Are you perhaps being thrown by the fact that both correct answers are option d?

In the GYROS section of INSTRUMENTS question 301 indicates that the correct answer to this question is "Too high pitch up and too low bank angle". This is the correct answer.
Have a look at page 123, Q12.
The answer marked (and I agree, that it is correct) is (c). How then, is the answer to the question posted "Too high pitch up and too low bank"?
Sorry I have misquoted my own Cd in my previous post. Both Q12 in the book and Q301 in the CD give the same answer which is, Too high pitch and bank angle correct". Both the book and the CD are correct.


Your Instruments book doesn't seem to cover topics such as VOR, DME, ADF, Radar, ILS, etc. Do your other books cover these?
My books were written for the JAA exams but then the DGCA started to take a large number of questions from them for their own exams. In the JAA system Radio Navigation and Instruments are two separate examinations. The subjects that you have listed are in Radio Navigation in the JAA system. I have not yet written a book for Radio Navigation but my CD covers all of 14 fixed wing subjects plus Helicopter POF.
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1. What is an autopilot system with two autopilots called - "Fail Passive" or "Fail Survival"?

2. If one autopilot is used for climbing, cruising and approach, the system is considered?
a. "Fail Soft"
or
b. "Fail Safe"

3.
The altimeter is supplied with?
a. Static pressure
b. Dynamic pressure
Answer marked is (a)
Another similarly worded question on the site:
Given:
Pt = Total pressure
Ps = Static pressure
Pd = Dynamic pressure
The altimeter is fed by:
a. Pt - Pd
b. Pd
c. Pd - Ps
d. Ps - Pt
Answer marked is (b)

4.
With a constant weight, irrespective of the airfield altitude, an aircraft always takes off at the same?
a. EAS
b. CAS
c. TAS
d. GS
The site marks (b) as the answer.

Another similarly worded question on the site:
With constant weight and configuration, an aircraft always takes off at the same?
a. EAS
b. TAS
c. IAS
d. GS
Here, the site marks (a) as the answer.

5. Today's airspeed indicators (calibrated to the Saint-Venant formula) indicate in the absence of static (and instrumental) error?
a. TAS
b. the conventional airspeed (CAS) in all cases
c. The airspeed, whatever the altitude
d. The EAS, in all cases.

The AT site marks (b) as the answer. Is this correct?

6. If an aircraft maintaining a constant CAS and flight level is flying from a cold air mass into warmer air:
a. TAS increases
b. TAS decreases
c. Mach number increases
d. Mach number decreases
Answer marked is (a)

Similarly, if an aircraft maintaining a constant CAS and flight level is flying from a warm air mass into colder air:
The choices are the same, and the answer marked is (b).

Is this correct?

7. A turn indicator is built around a gyroscope with?
a. 1 degree of freedom
b. 2 degrees of freedom

Answer marked is (b).

Thanks again, Keith. I will post more questions, if I find discrepancies in some answers.

Cheers!

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It is not clear whether any of these questions are from my book.

As I have said previously I cannot comment on the AT website.

I am quite happy to respond to any observations concerning my book, but it is not possible for me to trawl through all of your questions to identify those to which I chould respond.
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Result's out!

Looks like the list of candidates who passed the July atpl session is out on dgca website. Good luck y'all
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can someone please guide regarding what books should i refer to study for radio aids and instruments exam{ATPL}....


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when is the next attempt

friends ,please advice when is the next attempt going to be conducted by dgca...........and when can i apply for it.............
also please clear one of my doubt............as there are 3 paper....met,nav and radio aids right!............if i want to appear in only radio aids first.........then the oral part would be ,my after clearing all the 3 exams or just after clearing one of the exam only...........i.e. in my case radio aids exam only
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@aviatorz

Until now only 3 papers to clear
1. General navigation
2. Radio aids & Instruments
3. Met

Oral exam is only for nav and radio. no orals for met

you have to secure 70% marks in both oral and written not combined.
90 marks for written and 10 marks for orals..total 100
min passing marks in 63 for written and 7 for orals..

you have to get these minimum marks to pass in the subject .

after you give written exam for all three
after few days (about a month even though its online now) they will declare who all has got minimum 63 in written and put up a list of all those who can appear for the oral.

after orals are over you will get your final result which is declared with the cpl results.
they will give you your written marks and oral marks.
if you manage to get the minimum required to pass i.e. 70% in both of them separately, then only you clear the paper.

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what if idon`t give all 3 papers

@echo.mike.india

what if i don`t give all 3 exam once...........actually i intend to clear them one by one..........may be radio aids or met first time and then on monthly basis one by one each exam.............................and if i give radio exam first i`ll appear in the radio aids oral exam first and then nav written followed by its oral.................can i appear in the DGCA ATPL exam in this way.................please suggest....the books for the exam as well

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you can appear for all three papers separately also
if you clear written you will get 3 attempts to clear orals
if you still not clear orals you will have to give written again.

i would recommend you to give nav and radio together ..cause if you clear both written in one go..then only one (combined) interview is held for both of them.
its more easy to clear both the papers in one go this way.

study oxford and KW questions. and gsp
do all the back questions of oxford and gsp...

these questions banks will help you clear your written...
but your basic knowledge will be tested in the orals...

good luck
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meteorology question

Q1. you intend to overfly a mountain ridge at an altitude of 15000ft AMsL.The average air temp i s 15degree lover than IsA.the sealevel pressure 1003Hpa.which altimeter indication is needed?

Ans--16170ft...............please explain hw to solve this problem
thanks


please some one guide in solving this problem

Q2.An OAT of -55degree at the 200Hpa pressure level:
A)+/-5degree IsA.
B) is low...............
{acc. to me ans should be +10degree IsA DEVIATION}
please advice regarding this problem
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Anybody here has got a clue about Radio-Aids & Instruments ATPL oral? Any kind of inputs will be helpful.
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atpl ORAL

guys...
please help!!!! got no clue what to study for ATPL ORALS (NAV & RADIO AIDS)

heard about Jepp charts @aviator09

please people!! inputs please!!

Mumbai center btw..
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Jeppesen enroute charts will be asked to Gen Navigation candidates only, Not to radio aids candidates
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heard the next atpl attempt is in 3 week of october.... anyone know when is the right time to send out the form and DD to DGCA..... i think they call for applications but its been a while since i wrote my CPL papers and cant remember.....

thanks in advance
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@kapoor.varun

Next ATPL exam may be in November. not in october anyway as they haven't declared the results for the July session.. Results are expected in the first week of October and you can send your application once the results are out.
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@wings of fire
Check your pm.
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