DGCA requires 50hrs of PIC x country of more than 100nm from the point of departure..

[vishwas_ddn]

Hi guys,

I had submitted my papers for the conversion of CPL; unfortunately they sent a letter saying i do not hold 50hrs of PIC x country with distance of more than 100nm from the point of departure; although i provided them with a summary of cross country which totaled to 83hrs.

Guys do you have any idea, how are they calculating the distance to work this out.

I calculated the distance of the first leg of the X countries too, even then i am having more than 50hrs.

Thank you guys for the help in advance.

Happy landings

[cobracommander]

hi,
Weird to know about this elusive rule again,although I did meet the requirements for my conversion ,many of my colleagues argued about this so called 50hrs of 100Nm rule not being in the conversion flowchart or anywhere on DGCA site! So most of them unlike me didnt do the Afore said flying.
Anyway its calculated as 100Nm distance -one way or 'to' leg,hence 'to&fro' atleast 200Nm. You need to tabulate them with particulars like date,aircraft callsign,waypoints,landings,duration,distance;which should be same as in your logbook.
If this rule is valid then I guess one also needs to do atleast 2 flights of 300Nm(again calculated as above).

[Pulkdahulk]

official source from the then V.p Singh when i got my license issued was

A to B - 100nm
B to A - 100nm

Total 200nm

So check your cross countries and if the distance does not measure to 200nm you got problems. Also be aware that they are themselves checking the airport to airport distance on their laptops through airnav dot com so don't do any hera pheri.

ciao

[hawaijahaj]

you can do a thing like show A-B 100 Nm thats it . B-A can be flown back by your frnd. No need to fly 200 NM . Thats what I did with my flying.

[cloudripper]

@Pulkdahulk:

Mr.Hulk, a few weeks ago you were all hellbent on you'll provide the info about Spice test to only those ppl who send you PMs, i still havent received any response from you!!

Are you too busy in the gym or you were just seeing how many PMs you'll get ? just confused!

ANYWAY,tc with the muskuls
CR

[vishwas_ddn]

Thanks

THank u my fellow aviators for such useful and speedy replies...


The new problem is as i was not aware of this 100nm thingy...i only summarised about 83hrs of my x country flights, but actually i hold around 106hrs..
As i thought 83hrs would be enough for a 50hr margin..

now out of those 83hrs i am having only 47hrs of more than 100nm from base...

so if i incluse my additional cross country flights i will hold a total of around 60hrs of x country with 100 nm From base...

If i take my logbook and try to explain it to them will they understand...what could be done to explain it to them...

Please suggest.

Thanks

[flyboy333]

Are you sure they HAVE to be Solo X-Country? It doesn't specify on the flowchart.

[smurf84]

How is that even possible? I have so many friends of mine who have been issued licences with almost the same tally that you had given the DGCA for conversion. In fact, one of my friends whose licence is being processed at the moment and had trouble with only the verification letter of NZCAA. everything else seems to be okay. He flew the same 80 odd hours of X-country more than 100nm and the DGCA hasn't questioned him about it. You will have to talk to them.

[sunset_contrails_10]

Sounds to be very suspicious to me.

Why in the world didnt you submit your ACTUAL time instead of what you thought was enough.

[Cactus225]

Almost fell into a similar trap myself. I even flew the first 10 odd hours doing 70-80 NM X-countries. Then a friend made me look into the DGCA rules and pointed out that the DGCA definition of a x- country is a flight of more than 100NM. (not 50 like the FAA)

So the DGCA doesnt have this specified in the flow chart or anywhere else, but its just the way they define a x- country.

Also what do you guys feel about the 100 hr PIC rule that in reality means 100 hours SOLO. - thats another pitfall I narrowly avoided.

Hope it works when you go to explain things to the DGCA Vishwas.

I totally sympathize with you about this. The DGCA really need draft their rules more clearly.

Best Luck!

[cyrilroy21]

Also what do you guys feel about the 100 hr PIC rule that in reality means 100 hours SOLO

When they mean 100 hour PIC i believe it means 100 hour PIC as well . The DGCA keeps confusing themselves between solo and PIC

Even the 100 nm cross country is not SOLO ( as given in the flow chart ) . Its PIC time ( check the application form )

Nowhere in the DGCA regulations is SOLO time mentioned for the above requirements . The flow chart cannot be taken as a regulation

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[Cactus225]

well if you see the application form.

the ca39 like part of it.

the 200 hour requirement is fulfilled only by the dual hours and solo hours.

So- if you have 100 hours DUAL, 50 hours SOLO and 50 hours PIC with your friends as passengers or even as an instructor yourself, it does not count.

they would just consider the DUAL + SOLO = 150 hours and say thats you are 50 hours SHORT. and that my complaint.

see the application form for yourself.

http://dgca.nic.in/forms/crew-d/cpl_a.PDF

section 12 of this form.

[cyrilroy21]

@Cactus


Like I said earlier they keep confusing themselves between SOLO and PIC time
You are supposed to give your total PIC time in the column marked SOLO

I dont think anyone in India flies SOLO at night

Also look at the 6 month requirement . It says 15 hrs PIC , 5hr night PIC etc

So for the CA39 6 months you give the time flown as PIC ( inlcuding the cross country checks , flying tests , IR check all flown as PIC ) in the column marked SOLO .

[cyrilroy21]

Once again in the rules it says 200 total time which must include 100 hours PIC , 50 hours XC etc not SOLO

[Cactus225]

No sir, it aint that way...

I know some person who worked as a CFI n got 1000 hours doing that.

He spoke to the DGCA about it.

Thats not how it is.. they want it SOLO.

[cyrilroy21]

Hmm....

Looks like I will have to do some extra time building during recency

[tolip111111]

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cactus&Cyril

That's the exact reason why i had to do some extra time building during my Recency and because of this crapy rule i was not able to enroll into an AFI course.

The DGCA requires 100 Hrs of SOLO time . When i did my Initial training to obtain my CPL, I had only 88Hrs of SOLO time, but i had more than 160Hrs of PIC time. I was very bluntly told by people that you need 100 Hrs SOLO time, so guys please keep that in Mind.

Although this is not related to the topic, but i would like to share my experience. After My CPL when i visited one of the Flying School to try enroll my self into the AFI course, after a brief scrutiny of my logbook, i was told by the CFI that i will need to do 100 Hrs of Patter flying because i just have 100 Hrs of solo flying and in order to be eligible for the AFI rating you need minimum of 200hrs of SOLO flying!!! They didn't give a damn about PIC hours, total time,night time etc etc... So i was looking at another investment of close to 10 Lacs for AFI, hence politely walked away!!

While walking out of the CFI's room heard him talk to one of the AFI's present there, " Pata nahi saaley kahan se aa jaatein hai. 100 ghante solo kiya hai aur AFI banega!!" A lil later got the chance to meet one of the student undergoing his AFI rating, so i asked him that how many hours of Patter Flying did he need to do??? About 28 hrs was his reply!!! I was Shocked. I was told that at Flying Schools in India while completing 200 Hrs of Flying for obtaining CPL the students log close to 170 Hrs as SOLO time and about 30-40 hrs of Dual time.

I am not at all trying to start a Fight between pilots trained in India and Pilots with Indian CPL, trained abroad, but I personally find it extremely hard to believe that a student here in India flies 170 Hrs Solo during his CPL training.I have hardly seen students flying solo here, they are always seen to be flying in pairs or with a safety pilot on board. Not fair!!!

Any Inputs?

[cyrilroy21]

@tolip and cactus

But I dont get it .

Nowhere in the Indian DGCA regulations does it say 100 hours of SOLO not on the flow chart nor in CAR's
Same goes for AFI . They require 200 hours of PIC not SOLO

Looks like the DGCA officials cant seem to understand the REGS that they themselves have written in plain english

[Cactus225]

Welcome to Indian Aviation

[rahulred5]

uhhh no you dont need SOLO time to count towards PIC. I have more than 1200 total and only 50 hours SOLO and I have my blue Indian CPL next to me.