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Hongkongfooey,
The HKEPA would be very interested if a different lawyer reckons bonds are illegal cos they spent a lot cash getting a legal opinion. Why not get in touch with them?
Agreed, the land of the land prevails over any employment contract. So which part of the Employment Ordinance says bonds are illegal?
The HKEPA would be very interested if a different lawyer reckons bonds are illegal cos they spent a lot cash getting a legal opinion. Why not get in touch with them?
Agreed, the land of the land prevails over any employment contract. So which part of the Employment Ordinance says bonds are illegal?
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JJ, cant remember exactly where it is in the ordinance, but it is there.
Ask any of the guys that have left HKA recently for the name of the lawyer.
I am also led to believe that HKE CANNOT ask for more notice of resignation than they would give if they gave you the bullet. I believe ( unless it changed recently ) that they required 6 months notice, but would only give you 1 months notice if they terminated you, not on.
On top of everything else, lets face it, the reason CX and KA don't have bonds is not because they are great people, its because they can't, surely if they could they would ??
As I said, to my knowledge HKA have not been successful in gaining 1 bond from an ex employee, this in itself says a lot.
Ask any of the guys that have left HKA recently for the name of the lawyer.
I am also led to believe that HKE CANNOT ask for more notice of resignation than they would give if they gave you the bullet. I believe ( unless it changed recently ) that they required 6 months notice, but would only give you 1 months notice if they terminated you, not on.
On top of everything else, lets face it, the reason CX and KA don't have bonds is not because they are great people, its because they can't, surely if they could they would ??
As I said, to my knowledge HKA have not been successful in gaining 1 bond from an ex employee, this in itself says a lot.
Jamie J
You also might like to know it was one of the main reasons CX has its crew for AHK based in Singapore. These crew are bonded and bonding isn’t illegal in Singapore but most definitely is in Hong Kong. No contract anyone signs in Hong Kong will ever make bonding legal.
You also might like to know it was one of the main reasons CX has its crew for AHK based in Singapore. These crew are bonded and bonding isn’t illegal in Singapore but most definitely is in Hong Kong. No contract anyone signs in Hong Kong will ever make bonding legal.
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Harmony,
I certainly hope that if you read all my threads that you will see that I don't just critisise.
Rostering is incredibly complex. You have only mentioned a very small number of the factors that have to be considered and that cause changes, so I have great admiration for rosterers. But from what I have seen, there are now more aircraft and more pilots but less rostering staff. They seem to have little experience and/or training, they are given less and less time due to constant changes to the schedule and they don't have any professional rostering software.
This is a result of short term cost saving and yet its knock on effects cost the company MORE. Flights have been cancelled or delayed due to mistakes, pilot utilisation is certainly lower than it could be and the CAD have now noticed that illegal rosters have sometimes been produced.
We all want improved efficiency and a profitable airline but the current management seem preoccupied with passing on the blame, making short sighted cost cuts and pressuring staff to produce more and more for less and less reward, rather than looking at how systems can be improved or listening to their staff.
I certainly hope that if you read all my threads that you will see that I don't just critisise.
Rostering is incredibly complex. You have only mentioned a very small number of the factors that have to be considered and that cause changes, so I have great admiration for rosterers. But from what I have seen, there are now more aircraft and more pilots but less rostering staff. They seem to have little experience and/or training, they are given less and less time due to constant changes to the schedule and they don't have any professional rostering software.
This is a result of short term cost saving and yet its knock on effects cost the company MORE. Flights have been cancelled or delayed due to mistakes, pilot utilisation is certainly lower than it could be and the CAD have now noticed that illegal rosters have sometimes been produced.
We all want improved efficiency and a profitable airline but the current management seem preoccupied with passing on the blame, making short sighted cost cuts and pressuring staff to produce more and more for less and less reward, rather than looking at how systems can be improved or listening to their staff.
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I have heard stories of Asia being a good place to hour build frm many pilots. Currently 19 in canada and have finished ppl. After my commercial ME/IFR what is out there for me in hk. airlines like HKE, HKA, CX what are their f/o minimum reqd. To clarify my question, could a low hr rookie such as my self be employed in hk, with airlines like HKE or HKA.? Also if someone could chart out what I would need to fly with these guys eg: Atpl, Citizenship, visas, passport etc. What would a guy need?
Cheers boys and girls, and happy landings.
Cheers boys and girls, and happy landings.
