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28th Jan 2021, 09:12
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Posted By atakacs

Pretty daming if you ask me. No real suprise (ie....

Pretty daming if you ask me. No real suprise (ie. the "big picture" was already known) but the whole chain, from pilot, "arline" to supervsion authrority was criminally negligent. Even in Swiss law...
10th Aug 2020, 14:44
Replies: 330
Views: 193,370
Posted By atakacs

Well that was made clear in the preliminary...

Well that was made clear in the preliminary report published in 2018. If the BAZL were derelict in their supervision I would expect an investigation to be initiated earlier...
10th Aug 2020, 08:10
Replies: 330
Views: 193,370
Posted By atakacs

Updates on HB-HOT JU-52 crash

First it seems that the draft on the final report is being circulated and that the SUST (Schweizerische Sicherheitsuntersuchungsstelle) is confident that they had sufficient data to perform their...
3rd Dec 2018, 06:36
Replies: 330
Views: 193,370
Posted By atakacs

I know I might sound a bit obsessed by these...

I know I might sound a bit obsessed by these engines but I really don't understand why they kept "gen1" egines on this aircraft. Definitely much better options available while still being original to...
26th Nov 2018, 22:00
Replies: 330
Views: 193,370
Posted By atakacs

Not sure how to embed this A video of the...

Not sure how to embed this

A video of the investigators working on the wreckage

http://www.20min.ch/ro/news/suisse/story/22840795#videoid=654445
22nd Nov 2018, 20:13
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Views: 193,370
Posted By atakacs

Could you expand on that ?

Could you expand on that ?
22nd Nov 2018, 09:51
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Views: 193,370
Posted By atakacs

I am possibly over obsessing about the engines...

I am possibly over obsessing about the engines but

why did they run those very old engines when much better options are available (while keeping with original / vintage JU 52 specs) ? Is there...
21st Nov 2018, 17:19
Replies: 330
Views: 193,370
Posted By atakacs

Thanks. I have missed that part. Surprising that...

Thanks. I have missed that part. Surprising that they have managed so little (one device) in 3+ months.

As for the egines I'd be very surprisdd if they could deliver anywhere near their rates...
21st Nov 2018, 16:16
Replies: 330
Views: 193,370
Posted By atakacs

Happy to see this topic re-opened for posting... ...

Happy to see this topic re-opened for posting...

There is indeed a lot of factual findings in that intérim report.

One thing I find interresting is that the engines were all the original 1939...
23rd Aug 2018, 08:57
Replies: 330
Views: 193,370
Posted By atakacs

Very light preliminary I'd say... The two...

Very light preliminary I'd say...

The two other planes are flying again since last weekend. They had only few cancelations of reserved flights. Out of the 25 pilots pool one has demanded some time...
16th Aug 2018, 09:04
Replies: 330
Views: 193,370
Posted By atakacs

New restrictions to JU-Air flights

Sorry to start a new thread but the previous has been locked down for some reason (mods: fell free to append to existing).

The OFAC has released ...
13th Aug 2018, 06:12
Replies: 330
Views: 193,370
Posted By atakacs

I've seen operations where they actively tried to...

I've seen operations where they actively tried to avoid such pairing. I guess they had their reasons....
13th Aug 2018, 05:39
Replies: 330
Views: 193,370
Posted By atakacs

You might be on something here. Unfortunately it...

You might be on something here. Unfortunately it is very hard to get a sense of how close to the limits they were. I'm sure this will be covered in the investigation report.

As a matter of fact...
12th Aug 2018, 17:55
Replies: 330
Views: 193,370
Posted By atakacs

I'd be really interrested about "real liffe"...

I'd be really interrested about "real liffe" performance data for those JU-52...
Also are they comparable (I understand they had 3 planes...)?
11th Aug 2018, 09:38
Replies: 330
Views: 193,370
Posted By atakacs

It could indeed be as simple as a strong...

It could indeed be as simple as a strong unexpected gust in marginal conditions. I would still be surprised that those guys would have put themselves in such a corner.
That's why I'm trying to get...
10th Aug 2018, 16:56
Replies: 330
Views: 193,370
Posted By atakacs

Indeed surprising. One less source if...

Indeed surprising.
One less source if information :(
8th Aug 2018, 13:52
Replies: 330
Views: 193,370
Posted By atakacs

Thanks. This indeed, more eloquently than I...

Thanks.
This indeed, more eloquently than I would have been able, summarize while I'm perplexed.
I don't see any obvious scenario where they would end up in an almost vertical dive from apparent...
8th Aug 2018, 07:54
Replies: 330
Views: 193,370
Posted By atakacs

My question would be how much reserve performance...

My question would be how much reserve performance could they have flying there with a compliment of 20 passengers on a hot day. Apparently we have a few posters with actual JU52 experience. I would...
7th Aug 2018, 20:27
Replies: 330
Views: 193,370
Posted By atakacs

Assuming it is authentic I guess it closes the...

Assuming it is authentic I guess it closes the argument about smoke / vapour or whatever emanating from the aircraft.
Also as far as we can judge from that picture the overall attitude seems about...
6th Aug 2018, 06:02
Replies: 330
Views: 193,370
Posted By atakacs

Well I would be very reluctant to make any such...

Well I would be very reluctant to make any such assumption on the basis of a single picture.
Any info on the video this is supposedly extracted from ?
6th Aug 2018, 04:34
Replies: 330
Views: 193,370
Posted By atakacs

Hmm from what source do you assert this ?

Hmm from what source do you assert this ?
5th Aug 2018, 22:05
Replies: 330
Views: 193,370
Posted By atakacs

Interesting. This might be the reason for the...

Interesting.
This might be the reason for the 180.
Still doesn't explain what seems to have been a fairly brutal stall.
5th Aug 2018, 22:03
Replies: 330
Views: 193,370
Posted By atakacs

might be so but at the moment I am quite...

might be so but at the moment I am quite perplexed by this sad accident. I just don't see any scenario which would fit all known facts.
5th Aug 2018, 21:28
Replies: 330
Views: 193,370
Posted By atakacs

Whatever was trailing this aircraft, if anything,...

Whatever was trailing this aircraft, if anything, condensation would be extremely unlikely given the prevailing weather and the speeds involved.
5th Aug 2018, 19:18
Replies: 330
Views: 193,370
Posted By atakacs

I am sure that more competent people will chime...

I am sure that more competent people will chime in but my understanding is that with flaps up stall speed was about 65 and with flaps down lower than 55 knots
5th Aug 2018, 19:11
Replies: 330
Views: 193,370
Posted By atakacs

Most likely unrelated to the accident but both...

Most likely unrelated to the accident but both pilots were in their 60s.
5th Aug 2018, 19:03
Replies: 330
Views: 193,370
Posted By atakacs

Conditions might have been a bit on the edge of...

Conditions might have been a bit on the edge of the performance envelope (although having flown a good half of the distance from Locarno the fuel load would have been relatively light) but that...
5th Aug 2018, 12:43
Replies: 330
Views: 193,370
Posted By atakacs

I'm really wondering about that 180. If they...

I'm really wondering about that 180. If they actually completed it (it would seem so) a subsequent stall is somewhat odd...
I guess there was no flight recorder of any type fitted. As mentioned by...
5th Aug 2018, 09:15
Replies: 330
Views: 193,370
Posted By atakacs

Agreed - Obviously too early to have all the...

Agreed - Obviously too early to have all the facts but this one is a bit baffling: the terrain they end up on was indeed favourable to an emergency landing, and with this type of aircraft it would be...
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