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Forum: Tech Log
12th Jun 2013, 20:41
Replies: 104
Views: 18,846
Posted By tommoutrie

Its because both conditions need to be satisfied....

Its because both conditions need to be satisfied. I don't think the wording is fantastic but id have had a better look if i was going there. I shall post my licence back to the authorities...
Forum: Tech Log
12th Jun 2013, 20:37
Replies: 104
Views: 18,846
Posted By tommoutrie

You know what? I've read it again. Much more...

You know what? I've read it again. Much more carefully this time. I agree, 1250 is not a condition, it is badly worded, i agree its a continuous climb. I have seen an in and out vertical separation...
Forum: Tech Log
12th Jun 2013, 20:22
Replies: 104
Views: 18,846
Posted By tommoutrie

Sorry zeffy, in typing on a tiny windows mobile...

Sorry zeffy, in typing on a tiny windows mobile phone on a gprs signal in Kazakhstan. I cant see the whole sentence in one go when i type. I wanted to point out the difference in the plates and the...
Forum: Tech Log
12th Jun 2013, 19:40
Replies: 104
Views: 18,846
Posted By tommoutrie

I'm not! I completely agree that 11-7 is...

I'm not! I completely agree that 11-7 is continuous. But the 5D condition means that 11-5 is not. The condition is intended to keep the outbound and inbound radials separated. Of course you can get...
Forum: Tech Log
12th Jun 2013, 19:16
Replies: 104
Views: 18,846
Posted By tommoutrie

ILS 36C is 11-7 on the current jepps I think. It...

ILS 36C is 11-7 on the current jepps I think. It bases a very similar go around on the YT 330 radial. I just wondered if the other chaps read that as a continuous climb too.

Interesting discussion...
Forum: Tech Log
12th Jun 2013, 19:00
Replies: 104
Views: 18,846
Posted By tommoutrie

Incidentally. Lets assume the single failure is a...

Incidentally. Lets assume the single failure is a stuck mike in the control tower blocking out the tower frequency. And you're the number 2 traffic who is also going around because you don't have a...
Forum: Tech Log
12th Jun 2013, 18:55
Replies: 104
Views: 18,846
Posted By tommoutrie

Well I don't agree that's what the plate says but...

Well I don't agree that's what the plate says but I don't think it matters that much either. The plate says climb to 1250 feet on the radial. It's in the immediate actions box. If it was continuous...
Forum: Tech Log
12th Jun 2013, 16:54
Replies: 104
Views: 18,846
Posted By tommoutrie

Not a vote, this is not a democracy. That is...

Not a vote, this is not a democracy.

That is what you do, it is written on the plate.

How else is standard separation maintained?

What I would do is fly exactly what is on the plate and...
Forum: Tech Log
12th Jun 2013, 16:40
Replies: 104
Views: 18,846
Posted By tommoutrie

BOAC If you can't quantify the lateral...

BOAC

If you can't quantify the lateral separation, there isn't any. You have no idea at what point on the outbound and inbound legs the two aircraft will be so obviously the lateral separation...
Forum: Tech Log
12th Jun 2013, 16:32
Replies: 104
Views: 18,846
Posted By tommoutrie

The more likely thing is that in the event of a...

The more likely thing is that in the event of a miss, ATC would modify the missed approach restriction if there was no conflicting traffic to climb you immediately to an appropriate hold level but...
Forum: Tech Log
12th Jun 2013, 16:26
Replies: 104
Views: 18,846
Posted By tommoutrie

No, don't think so. Lets say both aircraft went...

No, don't think so. Lets say both aircraft went around because of lost comms. The cause of the lost comms was ATC's doughnut maker exploded and their radio got fried. The aircraft that just lined up...
Forum: Tech Log
12th Jun 2013, 15:51
Replies: 104
Views: 18,846
Posted By tommoutrie

Gents, consider this Two aircraft on...

Gents, consider this

Two aircraft on approach, minimum separation. Both go missed. The first gets to 5D turns inbound. The second ignores the 1250 condition and blasts up to 2700.

They are now...
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