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Forum: Tech Log
30th Mar 2011, 17:52
Replies: 43
Views: 27,392
Posted By FlightPathOBN

Rhys, There are dozens of hold templates,...

Rhys,

There are dozens of hold templates, which the hold template , location, alt, and speed are a design.
In some cases, your aircraft can be a class C or D, depending on weights.

Are you...
Forum: Tech Log
30th Mar 2011, 15:33
Replies: 43
Views: 27,392
Posted By FlightPathOBN

Concur, At max landing weight, 144,000...

Concur,

At max landing weight, 144,000 pounds for 800s, flaps 30, Vref is 150.

That is Class D.
Forum: Tech Log
29th Mar 2011, 18:45
Replies: 43
Views: 27,392
Posted By FlightPathOBN

This is the resultant classifications, but Vref...

This is the resultant classifications, but Vref refers to Flaps 30, max landing weight, no thrust.
The other Vref's, such as Vref20, etc are just that flaps 20.

Due to your aircraft...
Forum: Tech Log
29th Mar 2011, 14:27
Replies: 43
Views: 27,392
Posted By FlightPathOBN

yes, I see the discussion wandered between...

yes, I see the discussion wandered between regulations and reality...

I believe the original design parameters are 1.3, flaps 15, at the 5nm FAF, hence my issue with the certification.

(I meant...
Forum: Tech Log
28th Mar 2011, 22:04
Replies: 43
Views: 27,392
Posted By FlightPathOBN

737ng... I am glad that your group has...

737ng...

I am glad that your group has decided to differentiate the models...it is far more satisfying to design procedures that will actually be used, and have value, without the pilot saying...
Forum: Tech Log
28th Mar 2011, 19:07
Replies: 43
Views: 27,392
Posted By FlightPathOBN

Yes, and this worked great when it was written in...

Yes, and this worked great when it was written in 1953....



here we go again....:D
Forum: Tech Log
28th Mar 2011, 14:57
Replies: 43
Views: 27,392
Posted By FlightPathOBN

Concur, but as for performance, would you...

Concur, but as for performance, would you consider a 737-200 and a 737-800 the same?
Forum: Tech Log
28th Mar 2011, 14:23
Replies: 43
Views: 27,392
Posted By FlightPathOBN

Yes, these are all solutions, but it takes some...

Yes, these are all solutions, but it takes some getting used to, from an operations and a procedure design.

With RNP, I usually have a transition turn to final. The criteria wants the turn to be...
Forum: Tech Log
28th Mar 2011, 02:41
Replies: 43
Views: 27,392
Posted By FlightPathOBN

Thats all good...except, if you look at procedure...

Thats all good...except, if you look at procedure design, then the entire final segment max speed is 140kts, or as you say flaps 40...you want to fly the last 5nm at flaps 40
Forum: Tech Log
27th Mar 2011, 02:41
Replies: 43
Views: 27,392
Posted By FlightPathOBN

What would happen with airport access if the 737...

What would happen with airport access if the 737 were re-classed to D?
Forum: Tech Log
15th Mar 2011, 15:17
Replies: 43
Views: 27,392
Posted By FlightPathOBN

misd-again, yes...I got that indicator one...

misd-again, yes...I got that indicator one sideways..

With the .52 designs, the 140kts is for the entire final section, typically at least a 5nm segment....so if you have a turn that ends at the...
Forum: Tech Log
14th Mar 2011, 21:14
Replies: 43
Views: 27,392
Posted By FlightPathOBN

Is this mixing definitions? My perspective was...

Is this mixing definitions? My perspective was from procedure design determinations for individual segments.

The Class determinations are in the .52....

Note the 140 kts is max speed for the...
Forum: Tech Log
14th Mar 2011, 20:34
Replies: 43
Views: 27,392
Posted By FlightPathOBN

The calc is used in true airspeed for the turn...

The calc is used in true airspeed for the turn radius and bank angle calcs, which is the arithmetical way of extrapolating out the ground distance (which the design programs use) vs the air distance...
Forum: Tech Log
14th Mar 2011, 19:27
Replies: 43
Views: 27,392
Posted By FlightPathOBN

Realistically, its Cat D...based on 1.3 and other...

Realistically, its Cat D...based on 1.3 and other issues not as apparent.
Try hitting 140kts at the FAF with flaps 15.....

Note 140kts is the final approach speed for Cat C

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