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24th Mar 2013, 14:38
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Posted By BOAC

- I was talking ROC not reference obstacles, and...

- I was talking ROC not reference obstacles, and Jepp seem to have added 175' (to the reference obstacle)
24th Mar 2013, 12:24
Replies: 108
Views: 38,902
Posted By BOAC

Thanks again, Zeffy - I could not find any...

Thanks again, Zeffy - I could not find any reference to the ROC for TAA procedures (mind you, I got dizzy with all the maths................) Overall it seems odd that the hold at INDRA (1 nm inside...
24th Mar 2013, 08:13
Replies: 108
Views: 38,902
Posted By BOAC

- my post was about ACTUAL MSAs, not some 'TAA'...

- my post was about ACTUAL MSAs, not some 'TAA' figure - out of interest, why 4300'for TAA when MSA is 4100'? What are the criteria for TAAs?
23rd Mar 2013, 16:30
Replies: 108
Views: 38,902
Posted By BOAC

- not the point of my post! Don't think anyone...

- not the point of my post! Don't think anyone would disagree. Is the Pope a Catholic?.................and I won't ask about bears.......................

Edit to add: Incidentally - I suspect...
23rd Mar 2013, 08:11
Replies: 108
Views: 38,902
Posted By BOAC

- I think you are looking at different charts to...

- I think you are looking at different charts to the rest of us. Try ours - FAA or Jepp, which ever you believe.

Try 2550' (or 2750') to taste, and 6300'? (or 4100', or....). Nice and easy, isn't...
22nd Mar 2013, 15:29
Replies: 108
Views: 38,902
Posted By BOAC

Interesting, when important elevations are not...

Interesting, when important elevations are not agreed. All other things being equal, if Mr X impacts 50' below the top of a 2750' spot height charted at 2550', is the chart provider liable?
22nd Mar 2013, 10:38
Replies: 108
Views: 38,902
Posted By BOAC

"If you had one, which goes out to 25 miles, it...

"If you had one, which goes out to 25 miles, it would be at the higher altitude which is unnecessary." - not so - see the post you have replied to - 1800/4100?
22nd Mar 2013, 08:21
Replies: 108
Views: 38,902
Posted By BOAC

Thanks for the link you sent, Zeffy. ...

Thanks for the link you sent, Zeffy.

"Aircraft arriving on the NoPt side do not utilize the pattern" does not really answer my question "If I want to join the hold from that inbound, what then?" -...
21st Mar 2013, 22:45
Replies: 108
Views: 38,902
Posted By BOAC

No, the inner TAA area is 4 n.m. in the...

No, the inner TAA area is 4 n.m. in the straight-in TAA area (the north side). - so if I have this right, on these 'new' RNAV charts, the min hold alt will always be the lowest of the TAA values? NB...
21st Mar 2013, 18:16
Replies: 108
Views: 38,902
Posted By BOAC

Isn't that what the Jepp chart says?

Isn't that what the Jepp chart says?
17th Mar 2013, 19:43
Replies: 108
Views: 38,902
Posted By BOAC

- don't forget the 'joining area'? At 2000ft had...

- don't forget the 'joining area'? At 2000ft had they come from the north-west.......

At 4300' there are no obstacles, left or right. There is only one reason they 'hit the rocks'.
17th Mar 2013, 19:35
Replies: 108
Views: 38,902
Posted By BOAC

- errm - how else would you do it? What, as OK...

- errm - how else would you do it? What, as OK says, is wrong with a right hand hold?
17th Mar 2013, 17:51
Replies: 108
Views: 38,902
Posted By BOAC

ATC Watcher - nothing 'crazy' there - why not ask...

ATC Watcher - nothing 'crazy' there - why not ask why someone built a 2550' hill near the approach to R19? With the MSAs around there, a 13 mile IAF is about right - could not be closer. In any case,...
17th Mar 2013, 13:05
Replies: 108
Views: 38,902
Posted By BOAC

They were not 'assigned' any altitude.

They were not 'assigned' any altitude.
17th Mar 2013, 12:08
Replies: 108
Views: 38,902
Posted By BOAC

We are nibbling at the edges here:- It is...

We are nibbling at the edges here:-

It is being implicitly assumed (unproven) that the pilots were being 'vectored'.

I believe these pilots did NOT need MVA or any other trigraph except MSA/SSA...
17th Mar 2013, 08:54
Replies: 108
Views: 38,902
Posted By BOAC

Still no-one able or willing to answer my query...

Still no-one able or willing to answer my query about ATC in those parts and what sort of service the a/c might have been having.

1) Before we start lambasting the controller, based on what we...
16th Mar 2013, 19:05
Replies: 108
Views: 38,902
Posted By BOAC

Not forgetting that there are no hills at 4300' -...

Not forgetting that there are no hills at 4300' - and the entry side has to be considered as well.
16th Mar 2013, 16:48
Replies: 108
Views: 38,902
Posted By BOAC

If those speeds are reliable, they are fast for a...

If those speeds are reliable, they are fast for a hold and the rate of descent is high.
15th Mar 2013, 14:01
Replies: 108
Views: 38,902
Posted By BOAC

I am not aware of the different levels of ATC...

I am not aware of the different levels of ATC service in those parts, but have we established what they were on, or perhaps thought they were on?

Also why BOTH off frequency? Single radio?
15th Mar 2013, 12:28
Replies: 108
Views: 38,902
Posted By BOAC

Copy all that aterp, but the question remains -...

Copy all that aterp, but the question remains - no one told them to.

Are you now saying they WERE probably radar identified?. Why not, then. control?
15th Mar 2013, 11:31
Replies: 108
Views: 38,902
Posted By BOAC

Hopefully the answer to why they held at ZEDAG...

Hopefully the answer to why they held at ZEDAG below 4300' will come from the CVR.
15th Mar 2013, 10:32
Replies: 108
Views: 38,902
Posted By BOAC

Well, it's either me or them, but why are people...

Well, it's either me or them, but why are people on AvH saying 'they should have requested to climb to 4300' when they were cleared NOT BELOW 2000' ?? Is it me or these posters not understanding the...
15th Mar 2013, 09:23
Replies: 108
Views: 38,902
Posted By BOAC

Yes. Barring some unknown unfortunate problem...

Yes. Barring some unknown unfortunate problem occurring, we appear to be in the 'old fashioned aviation' arena here:-

1) Know where you are
2) Know where to want to go
3) Know how to get there
15th Mar 2013, 08:37
Replies: 108
Views: 38,902
Posted By BOAC

- ?? Radar contact? I thought this was a...

- ?? Radar contact? I thought this was a procedural/self-nav?
14th Mar 2013, 19:17
Replies: 108
Views: 38,902
Posted By BOAC

I accept all the above, even if I am not familiar...

I accept all the above, even if I am not familiar with Alaskan ATCC procedures, but is it not reasonable to expect crews to:-

a) Know where they are on an RNAV approach
b) Read the chart
c)...
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