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2nd May 2012, 01:56
Replies: 147
Views: 83,176
Posted By 45-Shooter

Cool <<Conceivably, the Lancaster could carry several...

<<Conceivably, the Lancaster could carry several "Little Boy" weapons. Given the size of 120" x 28" and a weight of 9,000lbs you could get a couple in a standard BIII with the doors closed, and be at...
23rd Apr 2012, 21:36
Replies: 147
Views: 83,176
Posted By 45-Shooter

What is your honest opinion of the two planes if...

What is your honest opinion of the two planes if they had been required to swap missions?
No opinion needed. The B17 was used at night by the RAF, and the Lancaster did bomb by day.
Which one had...
23rd Apr 2012, 19:59
Replies: 147
Views: 83,176
Posted By 45-Shooter

Dyslexia???

Missed the "IIRC" inserted at the start of that post did you? The 660 must have been the 60+60 losses of the two raids? I do not know, but is it really that important to this topic?
Just to get back...
22nd Apr 2012, 23:09
Replies: 147
Views: 83,176
Posted By 45-Shooter

Cool What is your honest opinion of the two planes if...

What is your honest opinion of the two planes if they had been required to swap missions? Lancs restricted to day light bombing for the entire war and B-17s allowed to bomb at night. Using the Grand...
17th Apr 2012, 05:56
Replies: 147
Views: 83,176
Posted By 45-Shooter

Angel Just could not resist?

Quote "For higher altitudes we can bring in the B17 replacement - the B29; an altogether more worthy contestant against the Lancaster.
Regards,
Rich
(self confessed Avro fanatic)"

I found this...
17th Apr 2012, 03:26
Replies: 147
Views: 83,176
Posted By 45-Shooter

Talking Quote; "Fer Chrissakes, the Mosquito had a better...

Quote; "Fer Chrissakes, the Mosquito had a better bomb load (and a bigger bomb bay??) than a B17. Whats there to have a discussion about re the Lanc? As a bomb truck the B17 wasn't even in the same...
17th Apr 2012, 03:15
Replies: 147
Views: 83,176
Posted By 45-Shooter

In the Philipins and other targets in the...

In the Philipins and other targets in the Solomons and Marianas. I meant to say PTO and substituted "Japan" instead. Also should have had a decimal point between the three and eight.
17th Apr 2012, 03:02
Replies: 147
Views: 83,176
Posted By 45-Shooter

Cool Quote: The Lancaster...

Quote:
The Lancaster regularly carried 14,000lbs. What did the B17 carry on a regular basis?

= 8,000lbs. Richard I think you are being too kind to the B17...
17th Apr 2012, 02:41
Replies: 147
Views: 83,176
Posted By 45-Shooter

Talking Good one!

Good one! I am the first to admit that my CFS rotted brain is not the best around. I do not have a clue what I was thinking?
17th Apr 2012, 02:27
Replies: 147
Views: 83,176
Posted By 45-Shooter

You confuse strategic demands with aerodynamic potential?

Stewart,There are many reasons why there were <800 Lancs available at any one time. They were built, used and destroyed at such a rate that less than 800 were available at any given time during the...
13th Apr 2012, 04:00
Replies: 147
Views: 83,176
Posted By 45-Shooter

Rebuttal/argument

The B17 as a whole is most definitely not 'better'.

2. I didn't realise we were limited to a particular theatre of operations, I thought we were debating about the aircraft... Look at numbers of...
13th Mar 2012, 03:35
Replies: 13
Views: 1,732
Posted By 45-Shooter

Cool What ever turns you on?

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/8/84/De_Havilland_Hornet_F1.jpg/300px-De_Havilland_Hornet_F1.jpg (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:De_Havilland_Hornet_F1.jpg):ok:
13th Mar 2012, 00:52
Replies: 147
Views: 83,176
Posted By 45-Shooter

Cool I agree completely!

All our hats should go off to bomber crews! They took more casualties per capita than any other service except NAZI Submariners!
How many men do you know who would get up every morning knowing that...
13th Mar 2012, 00:45
Replies: 147
Views: 83,176
Posted By 45-Shooter

Cool You are right! It's easy and mostly right!

But this argument is being fought with apples Vs oranges. The Lancaster was a good plane. I have never disputed that. It was just not as good as the B-17. ( From some mission profiles and points of...
13th Mar 2012, 00:23
Replies: 147
Views: 83,176
Posted By 45-Shooter

Cool First off, do yourself a favour and ditch...

First off, do yourself a favour and ditch Wikipedia, as pretty much anybody can edit it. Next get yourself a copy of the Lancaster drawings (internet or ask the people at Avro Heritage nicely), and...
12th Mar 2012, 22:05
Replies: 147
Views: 83,176
Posted By 45-Shooter

Cool You state that every Lanc ever made stayed like that?

Are you stating that every Lancaster that was ever manufactured with three turrets stayed that way for it's entire career and that no Lancaster except the ~30 specials ever had some of their turrets...
10th Mar 2012, 06:57
Replies: 147
Views: 83,176
Posted By 45-Shooter

Cool Go almost to the bottom!

There are three or four "Naked" Lancs, only two or three of which are "Specials"! Also the picture I posted was certainly not a "Special"! Note that both the picture you linked to and the one I...
10th Mar 2012, 06:53
Replies: 147
Views: 83,176
Posted By 45-Shooter

simple calcs for horizon range?

20k' = 174 miles, 40k' smoke cloud = 246 miles. 600 miles? I think you are right, seems a bit much, but I wonder where they got the quote from? Wiki is one of those places that ends up re-posting the...
10th Mar 2012, 04:55
Replies: 147
Views: 83,176
Posted By 45-Shooter

Cool Take a break! Take my poll in this same section?

It's about what you think makes the best fighter plane.
10th Mar 2012, 04:50
Replies: 147
Views: 83,176
Posted By 45-Shooter

Cool Interesting that near the bottom, it shows a naked Lanc

I find it interesting that near the bottom of the page you linked to, there is a Lanc wo top or bottom turret. My point is not that ALL Lancs had the turrets removed, just that many of them did. Many...
10th Mar 2012, 04:27
Replies: 147
Views: 83,176
Posted By 45-Shooter

Cool How many pictures can you find with the Ventral ball turret in place?

Avro Lancaster Bomber Characteristics

ArmamentTen .303-inch Browning trainable forward-firing machine guns (2 in nose, 2 ventral, and 2 dorsal turrets; 4 in tail turret)CrewSevenNormal bomb...
10th Mar 2012, 04:19
Replies: 147
Views: 83,176
Posted By 45-Shooter

Cool In 30 minutes, this is what I could find. My problem is searching through books takes

http://www.secondworldwar.org.uk/aircraft/lanc9.jpg
It takes time to search though books. Will continue. PS, did you know about the losses from Schlang muzak because the bottom ball turret was...
10th Mar 2012, 03:48
Replies: 121
Views: 28,717
Posted By 45-Shooter

Cool What %age of Spits were lost to landing and take off?

Me-109 Design features
As with the earlier Bf 108, the new design was based on Messerschmitt's "lightweight construction" principle, which aimed to reduce the number of separate parts in the...
10th Mar 2012, 03:15
Replies: 147
Views: 83,176
Posted By 45-Shooter

Cool And that changes things how?

The RAF states that most Lancs carried only the tail gunner on night missions. Why would they leave with unmanned, but installed weapons?
10th Mar 2012, 03:13
Replies: 147
Views: 83,176
Posted By 45-Shooter

Cool Argueing from the specific to the general, or vice-verse

Hundreds of pics out of thousands built? according to the RAF's web site, "Most Lancasters had the Mid-upper turret and most other weapons removed for night bombing. Many going with only the tail...
10th Mar 2012, 02:28
Replies: 147
Views: 83,176
Posted By 45-Shooter

Cool Quote: Statistically, more smaller bombs are...

Quote:
Statistically, more smaller bombs are better at destroying most targets.
The post war US Strategic Bombing Survey came to the conclusion that."..the small bombs carried by the B-17s and...
10th Mar 2012, 02:17
Replies: 147
Views: 83,176
Posted By 45-Shooter

Cool Neat web site and some good info, but still short.

Counter arguments
45 Shooter,

To addresss your points....

1. Complete info on Lancaster bomb bay size, and loads can be found here:

Bomb Loads...
10th Mar 2012, 01:21
Replies: 147
Views: 83,176
Posted By 45-Shooter

Smile All of that is true, as far as it goes.

But it fails to tell the entire story. The B-17 did not serve in Europe in numbers until long after the Lanc. ( First flight in Jan-'41, Service in Oct-41, 1st mass mission in Dec-41) (1st combat...
10th Mar 2012, 01:01
Replies: 147
Views: 83,176
Posted By 45-Shooter

Cool From Wiki; Of the 1.5 million tons of bombs...

From Wiki;

Of the 1.5 million tons of bombs dropped on Germany by U.S. aircraft, 640,000 tons were dropped from B-17s.[8] (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/B-17_Flying_Fortress#cite_note-Yenne.p46-8)...
10th Mar 2012, 00:21
Replies: 13
Views: 1,732
Posted By 45-Shooter

Cool New poll for all the aviation buffs here.

Please answer these TEN questions using your 20-40 hind sight, to form a consensus and allow us to compare our ideas?

If we were to design the best possible fighter-fighter/bomber of late WW-II,...
8th Mar 2012, 23:42
Replies: 147
Views: 83,176
Posted By 45-Shooter

Cool PS. One last point.

B-17s dropped about 32,000 more tons of bombs than Lancasters durring the war, while flying for fewer months of service. Their availibility rate was some multiple of the Lancs and they flew more long...
8th Mar 2012, 23:25
Replies: 121
Views: 28,717
Posted By 45-Shooter

Cool Yes and no.

Gliders since 14 and home built singles, plus on and off while in the Army with access to the flying club cheap. A few hours in Loaches. (OH-6s.)
8th Mar 2012, 23:19
Replies: 121
Views: 28,717
Posted By 45-Shooter

Cool Do you really want to know this?

Ask the Insurance Cos. But from my personal second hand experience, ( I watched two and walked by two more at various air bases with in minutes of them happening.)
Cross winds are probably the...
8th Mar 2012, 23:02
Replies: 121
Views: 28,717
Posted By 45-Shooter

Cool Yes, I mean Ground Loop.

When you think Ground Loop, most of us think Cessna 150 and the resultant dynamics. But the track of the Cessna is 50% wider than the Me-109 or Spitfire. The Cessna is about 1/3rd of the weight and...
6th Mar 2012, 00:52
Replies: 121
Views: 28,717
Posted By 45-Shooter

Cool What percentage of pilots killed in accidents qualifies?

As opposed to killed in action, that is? A ground loop at 90 MPH in a fully laden with av-gas filled plane killed more pilots than any of their contemporaries in either of those two planes. What...
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