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Forum: ATC Issues
21st Jun 2011, 15:33
Replies: 2,329
Views: 435,076
Posted By Disillusioned

And the result of the pay ballot is........ ...

And the result of the pay ballot is........

ATCOs’ BRANCH PAY BALLOT RESULT


OVERALL RESULT


YES 76%
Forum: ATC Issues
21st Apr 2011, 21:43
Replies: 4
Views: 2,202
Posted By Disillusioned

I watched a good movie on my Wacom a couple of...

I watched a good movie on my Wacom a couple of weeks ago..It was called, Great disasters of the 21st Century :)

It was an odd story, as it had a beginning, a middle, but no end !!
Forum: ATC Issues
21st Apr 2011, 21:27
Replies: 7
Views: 2,511
Posted By Disillusioned

We've been told at PC that management want to put...

We've been told at PC that management want to put a briefing note with the May watch list, and so (apparantly) it won't be published until this note is added.

Crazy!
Forum: ATC Issues
21st Apr 2011, 21:17
Replies: 7
Views: 2,511
Posted By Disillusioned

May watch roster - or lack of, to be precise!

I take it, come midnight, and with no roster being published for May, despite having the extra day's grace given by the unions to management, I can basically decide my own shift pattern for May, or...
Forum: ATC Issues
21st Apr 2011, 17:37
Replies: 2,329
Views: 435,076
Posted By Disillusioned

So, is this two separate pay offers on the table?...

So, is this two separate pay offers on the table? The ATCO offer and the ATSA/Engineers offer?

If the ATSAs vote No, can the ATCO offer be accepted? or vice versa. Or have both offers got to be...
Forum: ATC Issues
21st Apr 2011, 12:24
Replies: 2,329
Views: 435,076
Posted By Disillusioned

Hmmm, lets see. I currently hold 12 validations...

Hmmm, lets see. I currently hold 12 validations and it took 5 years to get these. Offers management an immense amount of flexibilty in rostering.

How many validations do you hold again?
Forum: ATC Issues
20th Apr 2011, 21:40
Replies: 2,329
Views: 435,076
Posted By Disillusioned

That's the thing. I don't believe the annual...

That's the thing. I don't believe the annual report comes out until June, so (as far as management is concerned) this is perfectly timed.

We will no doubt end up with a similar situation to our...
Forum: ATC Issues
20th Apr 2011, 21:21
Replies: 2,329
Views: 435,076
Posted By Disillusioned

So, it's less than 4.5% then :) That's a no...

So, it's less than 4.5% then :)

That's a no vote from me if it is. None of this, "could we do better", or "for the good of the company" nonesense.

Do you think these management big wigs think...
Forum: ATC Issues
20th Apr 2011, 20:09
Replies: 2,329
Views: 435,076
Posted By Disillusioned

Put us out of our misery...Details!!!

Put us out of our misery...Details!!!
Forum: ATC Issues
14th Apr 2011, 18:33
Replies: 2,329
Views: 435,076
Posted By Disillusioned

I wonder how today's concluding pay meeting went?

I wonder how today's concluding pay meeting went?
Forum: ATC Issues
11th Apr 2011, 13:40
Replies: 2,329
Views: 435,076
Posted By Disillusioned

Well, we will soon see what happens come the...

Well, we will soon see what happens come the Final pay meeting on Thursday, followed two weeks later by the cessation of the AAVA agreement (which I am still not convinced will happen).

It will be...
Forum: ATC Issues
9th Apr 2011, 16:41
Replies: 2,329
Views: 435,076
Posted By Disillusioned

One of the problems us "lowly" ATCOs on the shop...

One of the problems us "lowly" ATCOs on the shop floor have (well, in my opinion, anyway), is that there is no way for us to know what is happening at the "nitty gritty" level of pay (AAVA, pension,...
Forum: ATC Issues
8th Apr 2011, 13:57
Replies: 2,329
Views: 435,076
Posted By Disillusioned

Precisely. You (the union) are not linking any...

Precisely. You (the union) are not linking any Pay deal with any new/re-instated AAVA agreement, the union should simply say that they will resolve the pay deal first and then resolve the AAVA...
Forum: ATC Issues
8th Apr 2011, 10:26
Replies: 2,329
Views: 435,076
Posted By Disillusioned

Absolutely. The Union should simply say to...

Absolutely.

The Union should simply say to management, we will happily work out a new AAVA agreement with you, but not until after our current pay claim is resolved in full.

Then there would be...
Forum: ATC Issues
6th Apr 2011, 19:19
Replies: 2,329
Views: 435,076
Posted By Disillusioned

Watch this space. The AAVA agreement will not be...

Watch this space. The AAVA agreement will not be pulled on April 28th. The union will cave before then, and the current AAVA will carry on as normal "for the good of the company".

Despite having,...
Forum: ATC Issues
23rd Mar 2011, 00:52
Replies: 2,329
Views: 435,076
Posted By Disillusioned

When is the report due?

When is the report due?
Forum: ATC Issues
23rd Mar 2011, 00:04
Replies: 2,329
Views: 435,076
Posted By Disillusioned

As there are no further negotiations taking...

As there are no further negotiations taking place, and (assuming) the 2% offer is the only offer on the table, the union should now ballot members with this derisory 2% as managements offer, with a...
Forum: ATC Issues
10th Mar 2011, 19:11
Replies: 10
Views: 2,865
Posted By Disillusioned

Westbound tracks this past week have been...

Westbound tracks this past week have been unusually southabout, with NAT Track A beginning at as far South as 50N

So, the flights have been either heading way South, or possibly the West coast...
Forum: ATC Issues
10th Mar 2011, 18:49
Replies: 2,329
Views: 435,076
Posted By Disillusioned

Absolutely. It's all about educating members to...

Absolutely. It's all about educating members to look beyond this months pay packet, and into the (realstically, not too distant) future.

Easier said than done though. But hopefully the enhanced...
Forum: ATC Issues
10th Mar 2011, 17:35
Replies: 2,329
Views: 435,076
Posted By Disillusioned

I think, with AAVA's you have to think...

I think, with AAVA's you have to think medium/long term, otherwise you simply end up worse off after a very short space of time.

It's safe to say that there is a finite amount of cash available...
Forum: ATC Issues
3rd Mar 2011, 07:09
Replies: 2,329
Views: 435,076
Posted By Disillusioned

But are the Blackpool council making over £100m...

But are the Blackpool council making over £100m in profits every year?

NATS's massive profits over the past 3 years have been based on current staffing levels. Their incessant drive to increase...
Forum: ATC Issues
1st Mar 2011, 22:40
Replies: 2,329
Views: 435,076
Posted By Disillusioned

I am more concerned right now as to the union's...

I am more concerned right now as to the union's plan over the AAVA agreement.

Are the union going to let it lapse on April 28th as stated, or are they gong to cave, and either cancel their notice...
Forum: ATC Issues
1st Mar 2011, 00:52
Replies: 2,329
Views: 435,076
Posted By Disillusioned

According to the latest info newsletter put out...

According to the latest info newsletter put out by the union, there are now no further pay meetings scheduled, as management have cancelled the one pencilled in for March 29th, and the only current...
Forum: ATC Issues
28th Feb 2011, 14:14
Replies: 2,329
Views: 435,076
Posted By Disillusioned

It'll be interesting to see if we get the...

It'll be interesting to see if we get the situation then where there are no AAVAs for late April/May, as even if management & union agree on an offer by the end of April, it still has to be put to...
Forum: ATC Issues
14th Feb 2011, 18:00
Replies: 2,329
Views: 435,076
Posted By Disillusioned

Word on the street is that the new offer is a...

Word on the street is that the new offer is a sigificant increase on the 2% offered previously....But one person's significant is another person's derisory.

If they have come back with a 3-3.5%...
Forum: ATC Issues
26th Jun 2009, 11:40
Replies: 89
Views: 11,849
Posted By Disillusioned

Well there's a shock. Who'd have thought it....

Well there's a shock. Who'd have thought it. Barron shafts his staff again.

To all you people who voted YES, would you have done so had you know this before you cast your vote?

I cannot believe...
Forum: ATC Issues
22nd Apr 2009, 13:15
Replies: 2,329
Views: 435,076
Posted By Disillusioned

Quite true, and because of that, it still baffles...

Quite true, and because of that, it still baffles me as to why so many people do so many extra jobs for NATS, that aren't part of their job description, for nothing.

All that ends up doing is...
Forum: ATC Issues
21st Apr 2009, 18:34
Replies: 2,329
Views: 435,076
Posted By Disillusioned

So, officially announced now. £43.5 million paid...

So, officially announced now. £43.5 million paid out in dividends by NATS.

At least the ATCO Branch has concerns, so everything is OK :ugh:
Forum: ATC Issues
21st Apr 2009, 15:51
Replies: 2,329
Views: 435,076
Posted By Disillusioned

According to the new ATCOS site, the offer was/is...

According to the new ATCOS site, the offer was/is going to be presented to the BEC by the 22nd (I assume in time for the SDC). I just thought that someone might actually know what the offer was by...
Forum: ATC Issues
21st Apr 2009, 15:39
Replies: 2,329
Views: 435,076
Posted By Disillusioned

All we need now is some actual news....such as,...

All we need now is some actual news....such as, what the final offer from management was? Not that I expect it to be any better than a shade north of derisory.
Forum: ATC Issues
17th Apr 2009, 23:51
Replies: 2,329
Views: 435,076
Posted By Disillusioned

I would still like the AAVA agreement to be...

I would still like the AAVA agreement to be pulled no matter what the pay result.

Management are simply taking the mick, as every time any negotiation re staffing is involved, their stock answer...
Forum: ATC Issues
16th Apr 2009, 22:06
Replies: 2,329
Views: 435,076
Posted By Disillusioned

I am just so unimpressed with the union right now...

I am just so unimpressed with the union right now (so much so that I purposely didn't use a captal 'u' for union).

I honestly can't think of anything they can do now to undo all of the damage and...
Forum: ATC Issues
15th Apr 2009, 08:47
Replies: 2,329
Views: 435,076
Posted By Disillusioned

£50million dividend back to the airlines. 9% pay...

£50million dividend back to the airlines. 9% pay rise to PB, yet apparantly we are too skint to give the workforce a half decent pay offer.

Unbelievable, simply unbelievable.

This company is...
Forum: ATC Issues
10th Apr 2009, 12:41
Replies: 2,329
Views: 435,076
Posted By Disillusioned

3 (from airways), leaving next March.

3 (from airways), leaving next March.
Forum: ATC Issues
10th Apr 2009, 12:22
Replies: 2,329
Views: 435,076
Posted By Disillusioned

Yes. Big list of people announced yesterday. ...

Yes. Big list of people announced yesterday.

No idea as to how much money is involved, but managers saying, they made me an offer I couldn't refuse, kinda says it all.
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