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mickjoebill 14th Mar 2017 23:22

Cabin crew pour water on battery fire?
 
Headphones explode on Beijing to Melbourne flight http://dailym.ai/2mXvVEh

According to this report, cabin crew poured water on a battery fire?

DaveReidUK 14th Mar 2017 23:32

I would hope that they did. That's what they're meant to do.

The Banjo 15th Mar 2017 00:11

Yes, but not when the item is sitting on the floor. There are things called electrons underneath....

Dawn Patrol 15th Mar 2017 00:18

There's electrons in pretty much everything?
aaa or aa battery in headphones is surely not dangerous in water. On fire or otherwise.

HighAndFlighty 15th Mar 2017 00:21

HighAndFlighty
 

Originally Posted by The Banjo (Post 9706379)
Yes, but not when the item is sitting on the floor. There are things called electrons underneath....

Err, there are electrons absolutely freaking everywhere, and in everything. Pretty much anything composed of atoms has the sneaky little bastards.

Did you mean electronics?

onetrack 15th Mar 2017 00:28

Take all journalistic writings with a large dose of salt when it comes to accuracy of reporting. The more accurate reports state that the CC produced a bucket of water and dunked the offending headphones into it, which would be the correct process for a small Li-ion battery.
The smaller Li-ion batteries contain only relatively small amounts of lithium, unlike the larger Lithium-metal batteries, which contain more lithium as a % of their construction, and which require foam, Halon, CO2, ABC dry chemical, powdered graphite, copper powder, or sodium carbonate style of fire extinguisher. IMO, dry chemical is the most effective electrical fire extinguisher, but it's quite messy.

Some comprehensive and accurate information in the website below, from a bloke who has a background in battery engineering and manufacture ...

Safety concerns with regard to Li-ion batteries

Cralis 15th Mar 2017 02:10

I'd hope pouring water on the floor of an aircraft isn't a hazard. Drinks are served to kids. Surely water being poured in he floor is safe. The "fire" is more an issue - I'd have thought/hoped.

SLF3 15th Mar 2017 07:35

I believe these batteries were in headphones. It looks as though the lass wearing them was hurt. Any idea as to the make? (I realise some headphones have a AAA but others have a non standard battery.)

oceancrosser 15th Mar 2017 08:29


Yes, but not when the item is sitting on the floor. There are things called electrons underneath....
Notwithstanding electrons... Have you seen the amount of water that lands inside a freighter with an open side cargo door? Sure it has sometimes created problems, but a couple of bottles of water poured on an immediate threat on a cabin floor is not an issue.

darkbarly 15th Mar 2017 08:51


I would hope that they did. That's what they're meant to do.
What he said.

10 minutes into this video is what the UK CAA say.

https://youtu.be/pOiwEW54xL8

Airclues 15th Mar 2017 08:55

The cabin crew took the correct action according to the FAA as well;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vS6K...ature=youtu.be

jolihokistix 15th Mar 2017 09:00

Great video here for understanding flammability and L batteries, but length warning applies.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=FGyKN3...ature=youtu.be

4xtbm 15th Mar 2017 10:41

I wonder if she was laying with her head to one side and the earphone was insulated by the seat or a pillow. There have been some cases of phone catching fire when they have been placed under pillows at night. Lack of cooling airflow - batteries overheat!
The Cabin Crew were doing as they were trained. You can find some free Lithium Battery Fire courses here. Lithium Battery Fires and how to fight them

ChicoG 15th Mar 2017 11:01

Next time buy a proper pair of Beats not a Chinese knockoff.

crewmeal 15th Mar 2017 11:24

I wonder how the next batch of Samsung phones will fare given that the Galaxy Note 4 was a disaster. I believe they're due out at the end of the month.

PDR1 15th Mar 2017 11:32

ITYM Note 7.

The Note 4 hasn't been current[sic] since Pontious solo'd.

NutLoose 15th Mar 2017 11:55

Exploding headphones injure sleeping woman on Beijing to Melbourne flight

Ouch, though the attempt to disguise her identity reminds me of the Two Ronnie's sketch where the presenter was sitting in the darkened seat, and the snitch in the lit one.

http://e3.365dm.com/17/03/992x558/3c...20170315074403

jolihokistix 15th Mar 2017 12:27

Selfie in the lavatory...?

NSEU 16th Mar 2017 00:38


I'd hope pouring water on the floor of an aircraft isn't a hazard. Drinks are served to kids. Surely water being poured in he floor is safe. The "fire" is more an issue - I'd have thought/hoped.
http://www.pprune.org/australia-new-...ter-aisle.html

742 17th Mar 2017 13:49


Originally Posted by ChicoG (Post 9706761)
Next time buy a proper pair of Beats not a Chinese knockoff.


I agree, yet the fake market at the Shanghai Science and Technology Museum continues to be a regular stop for crew members on PVG overnights. :mad:


I worry more about "the deal" in the FOs bag than I do about the declared batteries on the NOTOC.








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