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Airbus Official Urges Major Pilot Training Changes
While Googling I stumbled upon this speech made by a former colleague, Captain Jacques Drappier, Senior Advisor Training, Airbus.
The speech was made at the World Aviation Training Conference & Tradeshow 2012 Even though there are already a few topics in the Tech forum about the auto-flight vs manual flight debate, I thought it was advisable to start a new topic to give the speech the attention it deserves. Your ideas or remarks are welcome! Maintaining Manual Flying Skills Over the last few years, and more so since the Colgan and AF447 accidents, loss of control, manual flying skills and automation has been at the heart of many discussions in about all major aviation conferences. During the last decades, automation has been brought into the cockpit to help the crew and to increase the overall safety of the flight. We all agree that the major technological advances in aviation have resulted in faster, more efficient and safer operations. Without this automation, such things as CATIII, RVSM and RNP would simply be impossible. I believe that in the continuous improvement of safety over the years, automation has been instrumental, and that the continued efforts of the manufacturers to further enhance safety, economy and comfort will bring even more automation in the cockpit. But nothing is perfect, and with the undeniable advantages, automation has also brought some side effects. Manual flying skills A number of high profile accidents over recent years have opened the awareness that one of these side effects could be the loss of the manual flying skill and over reliance on automation. ICAO shows Loss of Control as the major factor for fatalities. Airbus studies show that in the FBW aircraft, overruns are a greater danger. But are we really looking at a problem of erosion of manual flying skills ? Or are we looking at an issue of airmanship? When looking at cases where flying skill was blamed, often the real cause of the accident was a lack of situational awareness, lack of airmanship, or disregard of rules. But even if it is true that we have lost these skills, is it really important? And if we answer yes to these two questions, then what can we do about it? That is what I want to discuss in the next 20 minutes. Is it true? Most of the accidents happen in approach and landing phases, where typically the pilot could be manual flying. Some examples are Toronto, Sao Paolo, or the Philippines – where overruns happened after manual flights. But the question remains if handling is the main factor or a contributing factor. Tail strikes and hard landings are probably more indicative of real handling problems. However, we must be cautious of making easy conclusions. Certainly if you hit the tail during flare, or slam it in the ground, there is a handling problem. But maybe the unstabilized approach didn’t help? The Loss of control accidents would indicate that basic flying skills are either missing or have eroded, and there has been a clear cry for specific training. But again, a lot of these accidents also show lack of recognition or anticipation. A study on the impact of glass cockpits in 1985 showed issues with automation. A study on performance of pilots in 1995 showed first signs of erosion of skills. So the problem is not new and probably getting worse, although we do not have objective scientific data to support it. But let’s assume that the industry has indeed a problem, and that yes, it is true. I want to stress that we have to avoid generalizing and thinking that all pilots have lost their skills. That is simply not true. In our training center we certainly see some who are a bit rough on the edges, but we also see some excellent handling. Is it important? Now if the first question is not black or white, this one is even less easy to answer. We need indeed to see what the impact is of this reduction of general handling skill on the safety to determine the importance. I remember flying the B707, a “fly by cable” plan e with no hydraulics and some very stiff controls and lots of lag between any control action and aircraft reaction. Carrying out a crosswind landing was really a challenge and it took real handling skills to master this plane. But then again, a lot of training was done: simulators were not very good so we spent hours in the pattern doing all kinds of dangerous stuff. On the line we would fly the plane at least to 10,000 feet before engaging the primitive autopilot, and nearly every approach was hand flown. Today we have fly by wire, automated planes, where the pure handling skills needed in daily life are very limited. The automation has moved the emphasis away from flying the plane and has allowed the commander to free his brain from this “lower level” task and use all his brainpower to manage the flight. Hand flying is reduced to the minute after TO and maybe the last 2 minutes before the landing. And because flying is so much easier, and the environment has become so much more challenging, training emphasis has shifted for very good reasons to more procedural training, LOFTS, CRM etc. So we all agree that the automation is better for overall safety, efficiency and comfort. Is it then important to keep the same level of manual flying skills as in the old days, or are other elements today more important? So actually whereas the use or importance of manual flying skills is reduced in normal operations, what I would call 95 per cent plus, these skills are necessary when it comes to some abnormal situations or challenging conditions, where then actually pretty sharp piloting is required. The transition between smooth easy flying on AP and being challenged by hair-raising situations can be very abrupt in the modern cockpits. In some respects, automated aircraft may require a higher standard of basic stick and rudder skills, if only because these skills are practiced less often and maybe called upon in the most demanding emergency situations. What is also important is the perception by the pilot of his own piloting skills. Let me explain this Our captain has been flying for days, months, years according to company procedures letting the automation take care of the basic handling and doing an excellent job as a captain. He has done his compulsory one ILS with engine inoperative in the FFS every six months, and that has been it. Now one day he is confronted with some weather in an airport, which is not instrument-approach equipped, and he faces the challenge of a manual approach and landing in crosswind. Now he becomes worried because he starts realizing that maybe he is not up to it. He has not done that in months or years. But diverting does not seem an option because the book says he is within limits. His anxiety now takes over and deteriorates his performance even more. Results can be pretty bad. Furthermore, physical flying skills are one of the critical elements of situational awareness. Maintaining proficiency allows a pilot to devote less mental energy to flying the aircraft, thus allowing more attention to be de voted to other mental tasks. So finally, is it important or not? I believe that the importance has been reduced from the past, but that basic handling skills are still essential for safe operations. What can we do about it? So since we believe that the erosion of flying skill is real, and since we believe there is an importance to this, the question is what to do about it? We cannot answer that however, without further analyzing what is the root cause of this erosion. It is too easy to blame the automation. It is there to help, and most of it is selectable, meaning you can ignore it or switch it off. The study I referred to earlier came to the conclusion that there is no evidence that the deterioration of skills was solely because of a lack of practice. Other contributing factors could be in play, and this applies especially today. Let’s talk about a few First, if we say there is erosion of flying skills, we assume these were there to start with. Let’s begin with the first officers. Do you really believe that the cadets today have the same capabilities as those that came out of the schools 30 years ago, or out of the military? Self-sponsoring has brought a competitive element in the training, unfortunately meaning : the cheaper the better. Of course some schools still do a decent job, but too many pilots are qualified with very shaky skills, and how do you build experience on a shaky foundation? Next are the young captains. We used to have 10 years plus of first officer before transitioning to the captain seat. Now we see in some areas of the world upgrades to commander in less then four years because of the rapid expansion of the business. Did they get the mentoring that they deserve before starting command upgrade? Where they given the opportunity to hone their skills during the type rating? Did they get serious and comprehensive command training? Thirdly, if these skills existed, then why are they eroding? Obviously the lack of practice or training can be the only explanation. Pilots need to maintain their flight skills and be able to maneuver the aircraft manually within the standards set forth in the relevant regulations. This can only be achieved through regular practice. Clearly here we have a dilemma. On one hand it is obvious that company policies are being set up insisting or mandating the maximum use of automation for the benefit of safety and economy. So there is a strong pressure to avoid hand flying. Airbus recommends in its Golden Rules the Optimal use of automation. On the other hand, without practice any motor skill will diminish, so will the piloting skills. It looks imperative that the pilots get a chance to practice. But even if the airline allows the captain to choose to fly manually sometimes, operational circumstances such as fatigue, traffic or weather will reduce further the opportunity for manual flying. Training If we accept the above series of root causes, namely lack of proper initial training, lack of experience and lack of recency, then training is the obvious answer. Initial : The initial training is an important element in the whole career of the pilot, and the foundation of his future performance. Sufficient time should be spent to ensure the young cadet has understood and mastered the basic flying skills before moving further in the curriculum. Type rating: During the type rating the handling skills should be developed/refreshed. We must use the time in the FFS to do more handling exercises and do the automation exercises in the FTD. At least two sessions of simulator should be devoted to the handling. Recurrent: This is where we need to put more effort. In the recent years we have seen a reduction in overall time spent in the simulator in many areas of the world. Programs such as AQP can certainly help in optimizing the time in the FFS, and EBT will also greatly improve the efficiency of the recurrent sessions. But that will not be enough. If we want the pilots to remain proficient in manual handling in abnormal or difficult situation, if we want them to be proficient in upset recovery, crosswind landings etc, then we will need dedicated sessions in the simulator. I know that Emirates, although being an early follower of EBT, has introduced supplementary sessions of pure handling for all its pilots. I am sure others are going to follow because if we take this issue serious, we will all come to the same conclusion. We have come a long way in the training industry. We have implemented CRM, we have introduced LOFTS, we are on top of the automation, but we seem to have lost something else in the process and it is time to correct that. Conclusion The debate on handling skills or pilot skills has been going for a long time. There have always been people with more feeling, better touch, and more anticipation. Over the years rules have been established, guidelines developed and standards been set to evaluate these skills. In a continuous-and-successful quest for safety, the industry has introduced more and more tools to assist the pilots in their tasks. These tasks have been evolving as well, into more management of the airplane instead of flying. Fly by wire was certainly one of the most significant improvements introduced 25 years ago. It let the pilot fly manually while giving a large protection against gross errors, and significantly reduces the difficulty of handling the plane. During the development and further refinement of the control laws we have always been careful to keep the basic handling principles the same. But handling skill, be it less demanding then before, is still needed. And proficiency at that can only be achieved through training and practice. Regulators should carefully review the situation and see if the present rules are sufficient, and if enough data is available to determine which maneuvers and how much hand flying is sufficient for the modern pilots to keep their basic skill sharp. Operators should establish their rules and SOP’s with safety as a prime goal, but without forgetting that safety one day can mean to be able to skillfully hand fly an approach and landing. In the future with RNP approaches, NextGen etc, automation will be increasingly mandated. If a balance between manual flying and automation in line operations is not practical or possible due to the type of operation, then training is the answer. It may be in the best interest of safety to enforce a strict automation policy, but then you have to train in the FFS for the unexpected or exceptional manual flying cases. You cannot expect your pilots to handle a plane like a test pilot in 45-knot crosswind without sufficient training, or recurrent training. Some companies have understood this and have taken some positive steps. We must also remember my statement of the beginning -today we concentrate the discussion on handling skills, but most of the problems created by the erosion or l ack of these skills could have been avoided by good airmanship, applying CRM, using threat and error management. We must continue to practice handling, but balance it with much more effective employment of the defenses to prevent the aircraft ever arriving in the unsafe condition. Overall, each member of this industry has his role to play, and together we must strive towards our ultimate goal of safety, without forgetting any aspect of what it might encompass. The superior pilot is one, who by superior airmanship avoids situations where he needs the use of his superior skills.
About the Author: Captain Drappier is a former Sabena management pilot. Whilst with Sabena he held various positions in the training and flight operations departments, ranging from instructor pilot to Director of the ab initio school, ending his time with them as Executive Vice President of Operations. At Airbus he has been four years responsible of all training programs, followed by two years as Senior Director Flight and Cabin Crew Training. His responsibilities included the development of all A380 training material. In 2007 he took the position of Vice President Training and Flight Operations, responsible for all training matters including four Airbus training centers, and all Flight Ops deliverables like operational documentation, performance software and Safety management systems. In Jan 2011 Jacques left the executive role and is representing Airbus as a senior consultant for training and flight operations matters worldwide. Jacques Drappier has 12,500 hours and has flown all Airbus types from the first A300B2 to the A380, and is an instructor on all Airbus FBW. He was born in Belgium in 1952. |
So this guy was in 2007 in charge of training at airbus. How come the standards are so low than? No criticism intended. It is more about the low standard of airbus training and why is it so bad, while everybody talks about improvement.
There must be some other forces behind the scene in place. Like economy or unvillingness to risk your neck to improve something. |
So this guy was in 2007 in charge of training at airbus. How come the standards are so low than? No criticism intended. It is more about the low standard of airbus training and why is it so bad, while everybody talks about improvement. There must be some other forces behind the scene in place. Like economy or unvillingness to risk your neck to improve something. In Sabena (and thus in Belgium), there was always a lot of emphasis in manual flying skills. After the Sabena bankruptcy al lot of trainers were hired by Airbus or got involved in all other Airlines in Belgium, all bringing with them their love and understanding of the importance of basic flying even in the most modern aircraft. Now, if you're asking me why Airbus hasn't already started emphasing on basic flying in their own training centers? Well, I don't know, but I guess that commercial pressure from within and from customers is tough to fight. I'm pretty sure Drappier and the other Belgians tried to put more emphasis on basic flying the minute they joined airbus. (Read this article published in 2009) I also think that over reliance on automation did not start with Airbus. I believe it started with EFIS and both Airbus and Boeing but also most airlines are to be blamed. All the 777 operators I heard of, strongly discourage their pilots to switch off the A/thr and manipulate the levers themselves. I can only hope that operators will start to realise that allowing their crew to maintain their basic flying skills (No A/P, F/D or A/thr) is essential! |
Sabenaboy,
As a trainer on the B737, I can tell you that you are boxing an enemy that will outlast all of us. |
Airbus Official Urges Major Pilot Training Changes
From the Wall Street Journal today April 12, 2015:
Airbus Official Urges Major Pilot Training Changes - WSJ |
Right on !
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"Another issue Mr. Nelson raised could be equally thorny. As planes get ever more reliable and older generations of trainers with strong manual flying skills retire, their replacements typically lack comparable experience......
“Tomorrow’s instructors will not be teaching from personal exposure” to emergencies that required pilot interventions, Mr. Nelson said. “They’ll be speaking from hearsay.” There is a response that "airlines are now encouraging pilots to fly manually more often." From experience most airlines I've been involved with recently do the opposite. Also many SFI's teaching FFS TQ sessions, and therefore the first introduction to manual flying, are low experience pilots who have very little manual handling experience. Blind leading the blind comes to mind. There is a philosophy that maximum use of automatics is safer and more cost efficient. To implement the thrust of this topic will require quite a major change in some senior manager's opinions. A real cultural change in some companies. Interestingly this talk was given to pilot union representatives and not airline DFO's, Chief Pilots, HOT's and more importantly XAA personnel. He probably was preaching to the converted. Hopefully this could be the start of something exciting and very necessary. |
I can recollect when the instructors had to insist that we did NOT disconnect and fly manually when something odd happened. Leave the a/p in and USE it. Good point because, when we became accustomed to using the automatics, it offloaded us.
I can also recollect a checker being upset because, on a real flight, when the a/p disconnected at 800ft*, instead of faffing about trying to re-establish auto flight, I flew the landing manually. There was a fog bank halfway down the runway which, on that aircraft, affected the landing not a whit. I do agree that, with the increasing use of automation, more manual flying both in the sim and the aircraft is a good idea. A LOFT sim session should be TOTALLY NON JEOPARDY. Did I say that loudly enough; particularly for an esteemed Far Eastern company? When push comes to shove, aircraft pilots HAVE to be able to control the machine manually, as well as handle all the complications, rules and limits of the automatics which permit us to land in zero visibility. We actually have vis limits but that's just for exiting the runway and taxying. My wife asked me to stop telling her about how pilots could make mistakes. Never think competent pilots are overpaid. If it goes OK they get to go home; if there's a serious screw up, they never work again. *I do suspect that the cnut pulled a cb. |
“It used to be cool to be a pilot,” Mr. Nelson said Saturday. But these days “for a lot of pilots it’s just another job,” he said, adding that such attitudes provide further impediments to lifelong learning. |
It needed to be said, and more power that it came from an Airbus official.
Weaning pilots off automatics requires a carrot and stick approach. If they know that 50 or more percent of their next simulator will require demonstration of hand flying skill, maybe pilots will practice more on the line. Instructors and examiners need to up the ante by creating realistic LOFT scenarios where the automatics and instruments are degraded. While I agree that such exercises should initially be non jeopardy, at some point each pilot who purports to be a professional must be required to fly with no automatics and limited instrumentation to a cut and dried pass/fail standard. Because airlines are never likely to allow more than 8 to 12 hours simulator per pilot per year, and because within that time checks to the regulatory standard are required, actual training time plays second fiddle to ticking boxes on the check form. It would be helpful if we could move away from having to repeat exercises at each session which are fairly rare in real life and not all that difficult to execute. For example, the old V1 cut and emergency descent are now so well known by most that doing it in a two year cycle should be enough. On the other hand, flight with unreliable airspeed and dealing with severe icing situations could be worth doing at more frequent intervals, perhaps annually. Operators whose crews rarely experience severe icing may disagree with this, but they are possibly more at risk in a real event than those who are accustomed to it. In other words, tailor the training to the situation rather than use a one size fits all approach to satisfy the regulator. Of course this would require cooperation from the regulator. |
If they know that 50 or more percent of their next simulator will require demonstration of hand flying skill, maybe pilots will practice more on the line. With increasing traffic density and reducing separation minimums, manual flying will become impractical. The only solution I can see is to roster pilots into the sim every month and practice hand flying in there. |
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For example, the old V1 cut and emergency descent are now so well known by most that doing it in a two year cycle should be enough. On the other hand, flight with unreliable airspeed and dealing with severe icing situations could be worth doing at more frequent intervals, perhaps annually. Operators whose crews rarely experience severe icing may disagree with this, but they are possibly more at risk in a real event than those who are accustomed to it. In other words, tailor the training to the situation rather than use a one size fits all approach to satisfy the regulator. Of course this would require cooperation from the regulator. We are also actively encouraged to practice manual flight under the appropriate environmental conditions and I encourage my F/O's to do it, most of them seem quite chuffed to be offered the chance, which speaks to a long slow cultural change that needs to occur here and elsewhere. Given all the technology at our hands it's ironic that this is where the bleeding edge of flight safety is these days. At my previous mob we used to be able to access the company owned sim in fixed base conditions with reasonable frequency, I used to look forward to the sims as sport. Now being at a low cost carrier the sim is owned by a third party and that option is no longer available. That fixed base time has now been replaced by incredibly tedious arm chair flying which will never be as good. |
Whilst I do not for 1 second disagree with the message I have major reservations about the messenger’s organization.
Both the major OEMs now view training as a cash cow and are doing everything they can to (eventually) have total control. (Which they will achieve either via the Seattle ‘royalty’ model or by means of unaffordable data licenses). Today’s latest generation aircraft training programs are almost totally dictated by the OEMs with even malfunctions being under their control and the FSTD operator having limited or no influence. For an organisation that now professes to want more hands on training, it is somewhat contradictory that their latest aircraft can be converted onto via a CTR of only a very limited time on a low level Flat Panel Trainer with no simulator time required!! |
The cultural change has enormous resistant inertia. There are airlines out there that allow visual arrivals, reluctantly but discouraged, and require use of LNAV/VNAV and auto throttle and do not turn off the FD if there is an ILS. There are other airlines that encourage the retention of piloting skills. Part of that skill is knowing when to and when not to.
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Interesting to see that it is actually the Wall Street Journal and not for example FlightSafety International dealing with the issue.
Are Insurance companies or other financial people starting to understand that crashing is actually much more expensive than safety (which can not be argued to cost a lot of money)? |
would be interesting to know what he said exactly. any transcripts, notes, or even a video?
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Which will result in more incidents on the line as pilots use aircraft to practice flying for the simulator rather than the other way round. A catch 22 situation.
With increasing traffic density and reducing separation minimums, manual flying will become impractical. The only solution I can see is to roster pilots into the sim every month and practice hand flying in there. If you think that more hand flying will lead to an increase in the number of incidents at your company, perhaps you need to examine your training department's culture. |
Encouraging the constant use of automation to 'offload Pilots' will and has turned them into a liability that is totally dependent on it.
Just like Asiana in SFO and AF447. |
Apparently that is not exactly new from airbus. They changed their focus during training a lot after AF447. The typerating program for the A350 was developed around that focus with just flying manually at the start and then gradually introducing more and more of the autoflight system throughout the course. I heard a similar presentation quite some time ago.
Sadly, many pilots transitioning to that aircraft don't have to do the typerating course as it is a common typerating with the A330. So a very short conversion course is all that is required. |
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would be interesting to know what he said exactly. any transcripts, notes, or even a video? The new training tool he advocated was called ACE (Airbus Cockpit Experience) and there is a lot already on the web if you google it. |
Training in the SIM must have direct cross-over to line flying. If it doesn't, then we might as well use cardboard cockpits to just read checklists and go through the motions.
Many people state that they will use the automatics in the real world whenever they suffer some sort of engine failure, but in my current airline they always hand-fly that procedure, and are never allowed to practice with the a/p doing the work. Genuine 'no-fault' training will go a long way to give crews the confidence and flexibility of approach that will allow them to choose between automatics or manual flying. Too much in the SIM is done by rote, and too many view their time in it as a stressful hurdle, sadly not the marvelous training tool it really is. |
I was one of best presentation during the conference and everyone was looking for it. |
Airbus is already moving to EBT with their ACE for A350XWB training (and will roll out that new training to A330 and A320 conversion courses too).
Royal Aeronautical Society | Insight Blog | ACEs high - A350XWB pilot training |
Harry Nelson, a high-level company safety expert and former vice president of the European jet maker’s flight test department, called for fundamental changes to improve manual-flying proficiency and other cockpit skills that have been de-emphasized over the years. Mr. Nelson told roughly 600 pilots from around the globe that too many veteran aviators have come to view recurrent training sessions as an unwelcome annual or semiannual chore that can endanger their jobs if they perform poorly—rather than an opportunity to fine-tune skills, improve decision making and learn new safety concepts using increasingly realistic simulator technology. Hands on flying is fine, there is really no substitute, and more sim time is also a great idea, but the real issue, I believe, is moving from the punitive to the supportive in all areas. It is the most humane and as it turns out, the most effective way to run an organization - in the long run. |
"If they know that 50 or more percent of their next simulator will require demonstration of hand flying skill, maybe pilots will practice more on the line."
Someone got a comment on this in there before me but as a non pilot this seems like a quite insane inversion of what it seems reasonable to expect |
The problem lies with the perceived risk of hand flying, or in fact, any part of the flight where the pilot has a major input into the progress of the a/c. Reaserch accidents associated with Non Precsision Approaches. Unfortunately, we humans make mistakes and when they happen the business risk to the airline is huge. The business protects itself by postively encouraging pilots to not fly manually, because, overall this is safest. What it does not do, is allow for the outlier occurances where a skilled hand flyer will save the day. Catch22.
In our outfit we used to have a bi annual manual handling sim, this was introduced after another crash associated with mis handling. Unfortunately, we have now gone the other way and are on course to only visit the sim Once a year!! We are told that this is in no way anything to do with saving money. Really? For my money, I'd simply turn the clock bac 15 years and add a fully manually flown NDB approach using RAW Data back into the Airbus LPC/OPC. If you could do that you were an adequate pilot.IMHO. |
When the weather is bad, or at the end of a long duty period, maximum use of the automatics is appropriate. In some emergencies the automatics are your best friend. In others they could be your worst enemy.
But any pilot who can not hand fly takeoff to 10,000 feet and 10,000 feet to touchdown on a CAVOK day, and do so willingly, and with the support of Company policy, is setting the scene to fail his next simulator. The Company which prohibits such practice deserves it too. We, as professionals, owe that much to the people who really pay us.....our passengers. |
I cannot think of a reason to not click off the autopilot/autothrottles on final approach on a VFR day, except for laziness.
But there's a lot of laziness out there. And managers who don't have the skills so they don't want anyone else to either. |
Agreed, HUCK, but that is not what der management vant us to do!!
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For my money, I'd simply turn the clock bac 15 years and add a fully manually flown NDB approach using RAW Data back into the Airbus LPC/OPC. If you could do that you were an adequate pilot.IMHO. But I completely agree with you. |
The business protects itself by postively encouraging pilots to not fly manually, because, overall this is safest. What it does not do, is allow for the outlier occurances where a skilled hand flyer will save the day. Just put a big red button on the center console that engages the "emergency super autopilot" which overrides any manual attempt to overcome a nasty situation by the pilots (soon to be implemented I'm sure). When active it will produce a nice funny tune with the electronic voice "you're f:mad:d nanana … you're f:mad:d nanana..." In silicon we trust. |
There is no hope of any meaningful changes world wide following the Airbus presentation. Or any other of the hundreds of similar presentations over the years. Lots of talk, of course - but SFA after that.
Not when you consider at least major airline in China requires its first officers to wait for five years before they are given a take off or landing during line flying. Or another nearby country that forbids its 737 first officers from conducting take off and landings and also non-precision approaches, until 1000 hours on type. I never thought I would see the day that I would give up talking about the subject of degradation of manual flying skills v automation dependency. But ethnic culture with all its deadly pervasive influence on flight crews will never change. Time to change the subject and smell the roses, methinks..:ok: |
I remember when I went to fly for Air Europe after 33 years in the RAF, flying in the F100 was FUN. It was competitive to see who could get LGW to CDG fastest entirely hand flying. When that paled it was raw data. Unfortunately we didn't have limited panel! I hasten to add that it was in suitable weather (and you could get the CDG ATIS on the ground at LGW). Management asked us to tone it down as the CS were having too little time to dish out the goodies. In my final airline stint on the A320, non auto flying was still quite prevalent as we were often going into little Greek island fields that had no significant aids, and hand flying was often the most economic way (and easiest) of doing it. Of course we still used the AP most of the time but we all took pride in our skills. Why have things changed so dramatically in such a relatively short time ?
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Why have things changed so dramatically in such a relatively short time ? the scum of the earth fish-and-chips eating tracksuit wearing yobbos who had no right whatsoever to the jet-set life 30 years ago can now fly to those Greek Islands for 50 quid. Who will fly them there? Guys who pay for their own uniform, food, Type rating and accommodation. Go pontificate over that |
Because pontifex, the scum of the earth fish-and-chips eating tracksuit wearing yobbos who had no right whatsoever to the jet-set life 30 years ago can now fly to those Greek Islands for 50 quid. Who will fly them there? Guys who pay for their own uniform, food, Type rating and accommodation. Go pontificate over that |
Absolutely spot on.
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Yes but; devil's advocate: there are no airlines in operation that exist to give us a job that allows us to play with big boys toys. If putting more bums on seats to make profit requires adopting the business model you suggest then so be it. That should not have led to a dilution of piloting skills. It should not have led to a reduction of annual sim time. It has, and the never ending circular debate will be about whether it is all a cost saving exercise. The critics will say yes, and the management will claim that as there has been no increase in major incidents, even accidents, then safety has not been compromised and thus 'what's the problem?" I don't see a direct connection between LoCo & lower pilot skills. In the charter days we flew cheaper than national majors, and I might suggest we were better handlers. There was a company culture of skilled handling because it was necessary. Many destinations had no radar or ILS: it was middle of a rainy night and a circling into Corfu was required. If you couldn't fly you couldn't land on the black shiny bit. Kos, Samos, Heraklion and many others come to mind. Today, the toys are more like play stations and the airports are more wiz-bang. It can be argued that on a daily basis the skills required are less than bygone days; but then Murphy, Mother Nature & Human factors combine to make it a really bad-hair day. Play station rules do not apply. You need to be able to play a real game of tennis with real balls and a real net, not some cosy lounge Wii version.
"The typerating program for the A350 was developed around that focus with just flying manually at the start and then gradually introducing more and more of the autoflight system throughout the course." Back to the future; finally, hopefully. I hear a national B777 operator has adopted this style after SFX. It's the way it was, should have stayed and hopefully will return to. If you look at the total manual flying time allocated in a standard jet TQ curse it is dreadfully little. Base training is not a fill in, either. Someone quoted the opportunity to experience an engine failure on departure at 100', just as you relax a little. They also said it was not too hard. Good for you, but I guess you are in the top 20%. This is where you get a bird strike, not V1+1kt. Give an engine failure just as you hit TOGA on a G/A from an NPA. You were in CMD mode and then the A/P disconnects and bang goes an engine just as you revert to manual. You are left holding the baby or hot potato. Deal with it. Real life, real problems, real possibilities requiring real skills. If you can't hack it then you should be found out. Such a simple change in regulations at no cost but a massive increase in skill set. There could be much changed in the standard OPC/LPC check that would require more skills to be demonstrated and at no cost to the check time. The items would be more relevant and a true test. Where is the first DFO to so order such changes? Those who want their guys to be the best & safest 'pilots'. Where is the first XAA to order such changes so ALL their pilots can be the best & safest? Maybe there is a lost world somewhere where it already happens. Let's keep searching. |
Where is the first DFO to so order such changes? Those who want their guys to be the best & safest 'pilots'. With modern technology an airline pilot today doesn't have to be as skilled as a B707 pilot needed to be in the 1960s. This is why terms and conditions have been on a downward slide for decades. Automation has made flying safer, most of the time it works. Regular practice in a simulator is needed to maintain the basic skills for when it doesn't. Management would rather have the automatics used and have fewer incidents occurr then have to deal with the inevitable incidents which will happen when pilots practice manual flying. We have had accidents because pilots couldn't manage without the automatics and there will be accidents which wouldn't have occurred if pilots had used the automation instead of flying manually. |
macdo,
I reckon a good test (practise?) of manual skills is an NDB approach with an engine out and with a nasty crosswind, followed by a go-around and then another approach and landing. If you can hack that well, you can manage most things. |
the scum of the earth fish-and-chips eating tracksuit wearing yobbos who had no right whatsoever to the jet-set life 30 years ago can now fly to those Greek Islands for 50 quid. |
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