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ulxima 2nd May 2011 16:43


There used to be an Italian AF Captain (solo from the Frecce Tricolori I think)

Are you referring to this, SinoTC?

Ciao,
Ulxima

blind pew 2nd May 2011 19:33

Blacksheep - series yaw damper.
found that out the hard way.
What surprised me was that the engineer who had double the experience of the two of us up front didn't know either.
In the 70s there was a lot of ignorance in the aviation industry.
In my view due to the lack of ability in those in management and training.
Unfortunately it hasn't quite disappeared as we know about the 747 crew who didn't understand the basics of the cross feed system.
Another lack of system understanding was when the fokker 100 was introduced in the 90s. We were told that it could not approach the stall because of the all talking full time auto throttle system.
Second stall warning during low level final approach turns taught us not to believe what the brochure stated.

SincoTC 2nd May 2011 22:46

video clip from ulxima
 

Are you referring to this
Thanks ulxima :ok:, yes, It was along these lines! However, I don't know if this is an early video before he had worked up his routine, or more likely I think, a later one, after the leaden hand of "Elfin Safety" had descended, but it was very tame compared with the performances I remenber seeing! These were during the competitions held between the various national display teams at the Greenham Common International Air Tatoo during the early seventies, where national pride pushed the displays even further than usual. His cavorting was very spirited and continued throughout a full circuit and landing, right through the flare and onto a one wheel landing and then rocking across to the other wheel using the full width of the runway during the roll-out!

Apologies for the thread drift :)

aerolearner 2nd May 2011 23:45

SincoTC's memories
 

Originally Posted by SincoTC
His cavorting was very spirited and continued throughout a full circuit and landing, right through the flare and onto a one wheel landing and then rocking across to the other wheel using the full width of the runway during the roll-out!

Most probably you saw Capt. Riccardo Peracchi. In the '60s, he was the official display pilot of the ItAF flight test unit on the Aermacchi MB.326 jet trainer. See page 35:
http://www.aermacchi.it/files/amw6ingl.pdf

The "Volo folle" (Crazy flight) figure shown in the video is part of the current Frecce Tricolori display programme.

Apologies for the thread drift, again :}

deSitter 2nd May 2011 23:54

Man oh man, this goes down in the annals of airmanship - comparable to the guys for DHL in Iraq who landed an A300F without any hydraulics.

My butt is puckered just looking at stills.

-drl

lomapaseo 3rd May 2011 00:59

I'll vote for an airmanship medal only after somebody confirms a failure mechanism in the aircraft.

glhcarl 3rd May 2011 01:50

Simply amazing! CG problem?

However, why is there no clouds in video #1, lots of clouds in #2 and scattered clouds in #3?

nojwod 3rd May 2011 02:24

glhcarl: "Simply amazing! CG problem?

However, why is there no clouds in video #1, lots of clouds in #2 and scattered clouds in #3?"

Did you even bother to read the posts? Did you even bother to watch the videos? The CG problem answer is in the posts, the videos display no inconsistency in cloud type or cover.

sAx_R54 3rd May 2011 08:17

Boy oh boy oh boy........! It would have been mercifully brief for me, as coronary infarction would have occasioned long before the MLG finally reconnected with the TDZ.

sAx

vovachan 3rd May 2011 11:49

@lomapaseo

the word is the plane's "stability and control augmentation system" was acting up.

The Tu5 is actually a computer controlled plane, of sorts

Feathers McGraw 3rd May 2011 15:49

I remember some time in the late 80s or early 90s that there was another "crazy flight" display that existed, I'm pretty sure that it was done in an AlphaJet and may possibly have been a Belgian Air Force pilot or just maybe French.

I can't remember the location I saw it, but I suspect it was either Mildenhall, Alconbury or maybe the year that the IAT was held at Cottesmore although that is less likely as it was some years later, I think '98 or '99.

deSitter 3rd May 2011 16:05

I think what saved these guys was the Sen. Larry Craig "Wide-Stance" (TM) undercarriage on the TU-154. Surely a 727 would have caught a wing in the dirt. Still amazed at this piloting!!

-drl

pattern_is_full 3rd May 2011 16:33

Having 12 main-gear tires instead of just 4 no doubt helped absorb the extra forces if the plane was trying to roll at touchdown. The -154 was designed for occasional gravel field use. :eek:

liider 3rd May 2011 17:05

A video of the landing from the other side of the runway:


Locked door 3rd May 2011 18:05

Interesting how one of the spectators shouts 'yes' in English!

Anyone able to translate the rest?

ap08 3rd May 2011 18:29

They aren't saying anything interesting (what did you expect though?)

Something like this:

Look how they...
Go on guys, go on, go on
What the...
He has to go around again somehow, he is fully loaded
No he has to land, no matter how, but he will break up of course
He will strike his wing
Go on guys, guess (a moment when to land)
Go on
That's all, he guessed! (a moment when to land)
<Censored>
Yes!!
Well done!
That's all
I'm shaking in my shoes
Did you film it? Yes
They are heroes, they must be awarded
<Censored>
Those planes can't be flown anymore, get it?

Cacophonix 3rd May 2011 21:22


Those planes can't be flown anymore, get it?
A very pertinent comment.

One wonders why they were trying to get this aircraft back into the air?

Stone Cold II 3rd May 2011 21:49

I still say fake. This footage would have been on the news and in the press. It would have been a great achievement but nothing is mentioned. Fact is there are some talented people out there. Seen plenty of photo shop pictures done and they look amazing.

Not in the news so I don't believe it. This would be up there with the Hudson river in terms of skill.

ZeBedie 3rd May 2011 22:09

If you do the approach fron hell, say Funchal on a bad day, then watch the next aircraft land, it looks far less exciting from on the ground than it does on the flightdeck. So those gyrations were just too extreme to believe and I do have my doubts.

pattern_is_full 3rd May 2011 22:42

I get more fun out of the uber-skeptics - soon they'll be demanding to see the long form of the birth certifi- ooops, I mean, log book.

"I don't believe the video - it hides the landing."

OK - here's the landing.

"No, no, that's a still-picture series - I want to see video"

Ok - here's video of the landing.

"No, no, I want...."

Giggle-heads. ;)


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