British 747 looses all engines
 

In 1988 I believe that a British Airways 747, was overflying Indonesa, when they flew through what their radar said was cloud, but in actual fact was vulcano dust.

All engines stopped, and I believe that after loosing 20,000 ft, they were able to get restarts.

Aircraft upon arrival at Perth, required all four engines to be changed.

Does anyone have a copy of the CVR of this incident.

Thanks and regards

Col Tigwell

Where's the military connection :confused:

Oh for God's sake artist, do I have to spell it out?

In 1988 (3 yrs before GW1) I believe that a British Airways 747 (like the one used to get SF into Kuwait in GW1), was overflying Indonesa (well, Indonesia has a military and we sell them Hawks), when they flew through what their radar (military invention) said was cloud, but in actual fact was vulcano dust.

All engines stopped, and I believe that after loosing 20,000 ft (as high as a Tornado can get), they were able to get restarts (Flt Ops Officers).

Aircraft upon arrival at Perth (RAAF base somewhere near there), required all four engines to be changed (regular feature of SA charters)

Does anyone have a copy of the CVR of this incident.

Thanks and regards

Col Tigwell

BA 747 loses all 4 engines
 

The Website of the Captaion of BA 009 http://www.ericmoody.com/
He may have a copy, although it is rare for CVR tapes to be in the public domain, the continued willingness of crews to allow the use of CVRs is contingent on them being used for accident investigation and not being widely posted to satisfy idle curiosity. If you have a genuine reason for needing the CVR, I imagine the AAIB or CAA would oblige, but it would need to be a very good reason.

And all these years I though the Military bit was the fact that the balding gent in seat 31A had been a Corporal in the RAF!

Serious now.. I had the pleasure of flying with Eric Moody not too long after the said event. When I entered the cockpit I introduced myself and asked if he was the expert on volcanoes. The reply can't be printed but it was a smashing ride! Great character all-round.

The incident was in 1982 (the year of the Falklands War) and the aircraft was in the Southern Hemisphere (where the Falklands are situated). So there :E

When this 747 loosed all those engines, where did they end up? The storey [sic] has yet to be told!

Does an aircraft lose thrust from its engines or loose it! Spelling Tut! Tut!

Strictly speaking halton, I believe you should have ended your question with a question mark. I would also suggest the first 'tut' does not need to be capitalised as 'Spelling' is not followed by a punctuation mark.

:E

Aircraft landed in Jakarta.

Capt. Moody
 

I saw him interviewed on TV and they asked him (naturally), "What was your reaction when the fourth engine stopped running?"

He sort of smirked and said, "I think I said something like, 'Golly gosh! We've lost the fourth engine!'"

":mad: -ing hell!"

:}

As the synapses clank closed, I seem to remember a TV program on said incident.

Don't they (they being crew and passangers) reunite occasionally under the name of the offending volcano followed by "gliding club".

There was an amusing part on the prog when one of the flight crew was issuing a mayday only to be asked if he had a problem by the local ATC. Years spent assuming mayday meant "I have a problem" went out the window....

Just read the log write up, shame us engineers didn't last longer!

B747 incident
 

Thank you all for your replies.

I am attempting to obtain a copy for the CRM course, that one of my friends runs in the RAAF.

If I offended some, by posting it in the wrong forum, I regret same.

However as it is a flying safe issue, felt that some within, may have heard it.

Regards

Col Tigwell

The F/E was ex-RAF if that helps.

Not that I'm a spotter or anything, but said 747 is now in a scrap yard at Bournemouth airport, having had it's wings chopped off!! It should go to a museum!

Excellent CRM Link
 

:D Wow, Paul Wilson great link man !!!

Captain Eric Barry,the Flight Engineer and First Officer, and Cabin Crew Really showed what CRM/SOP/ADM really means amazing and beautiful account. and what a great engine/ airframe combination the 747- 200/ Pratt and Whitney JT9D were/are.:ok: :ok: :ok:

Right up there with Al haynes and his crew on the DC-10 or Gimli Glider Boeing 767-200 and Air Transat A-330 :ok: :D :D :D :ok:

747 Glider
 

Said aircraft flying cargo with Air Atlanta

Herkman
You could try VAA Flight Crew Training at Horley. We used to use a video for volcanic ash avoidance which included a sequence of that incident. Eric Moody's closing description of turning finals into Jakarta standing up on the pedals so as to be able to see (just) out of the front and the total sense of relief when he realised they had made it was quite palpable, even at the remove of many years. The shots of the damage incurred on windscreens, engine intakes, leading edges etc. were pretty sobering!!:eek:

A book was written on the incident' All four engines have failed' author is Betty Tootell, (from Auckland New Zealand.) a passenger on the flight.

It highlights the surperb effort of Captain Eric Moody, First Officer Roger Greaves, and their crew to re-start the 747's four engines.

The incident is known in this part of the world as the "jarkarta incident'.

It is a facinating read of the 1983 incident.
British airways can certainly take a bow for their crew training-especially
four engines-out drill!

I have a copy of the book( NOT for sale) anyone wanting more info, please PM me. I will try and locate some more copies, or even the author! as I live in the area.
Most passengers have apparently kept in touch.

Hope this helps.
:ok:

Many copies are available on amazon from about £15.00

Same thing happened to a brand-new KLM 747 near ANC in 1989, with similar outcome.

Engines were CF6's by the way.

For many years prior to the incident Eric had been in an icy dispute with BA about his seniority. (He spent some time with BEA before joining BOAC, the airlines merged to form BA.)

I would just have loved to have been in the Office the day news first arrived that a BA aircraft had survived this very near disaster through the skill and heroic action of the flight crew, when the Flight Ops Director said, "Good show! - and who was in command?" .:ok:

My favourite quote from Eric Moody, describing the landing, as volcanic ash had scoured the windshields...

"It was like trying to navigate blindfold up a badger's arse"...

I hope I got that right!

Magic stuff...as well as the outstanding skills of Eric, Roger and Barry, the SEO who brought the flying ashtray down in one piece.

The aircraft was flying from Kuala Lumpar to Perth (about five hours flight time) and flew into volcanic cloud. All four engines failed, the aircraft drifted below the cloud and re-started all four engines. The ATC told them to climb to 15,000 feet (terrain) but they re-entered the cloud, lost an engine and the captain bought them back to 12,000. They successfully landed BA009 at Jakarta on three engines and with very poor forward visibility due to damage to the windshield caused by the volcanic activity.

Remind me again who was on the Flight Deck when they lost the donks..:}

Quote "It highlights the surperb effort of Captain Eric Moody, First Officer Roger Greaves, and their crew to re-start the 747's four engines."

What a shame you didn't include the real hero of the incident; AKA the Flight Engineer.
I reckon that if the aircraft had been a 'modern' Airbus, that doesn't allow you to break the rules, the outcome would have been ......................:{
No; I'm not a flight Engineer, but I was brought up on aircraft with them and I mourn their passing.

Interesting theory. What rules do you think they'd have had to break on an Airbus to achieve the same outcome?

Give em a clue wiggy. Only two of the three flight crew were present.......

Oh come on guys you dont wont to ruin the mans reputation with what are mere facts do you...? :}

[quote=Matt Vinyl]Quote "It highlights the surperb effort of Captain Eric Moody, First Officer Roger Greaves, and their crew to re-start the 747's four engines."

What a shame you didn't include the real hero of the incident; AKA the Flight Engineer.

For the reference the SFE's name is Barry Townley-Freeman.

Sorry for the thread creep.

Nope, as said before, the actual aircraft is indeed at Bournemouth airport. Parked at EAL. Just completed my MCC course at EAL and my instructor pointed it out.

Wings and engine are indeed gone.

The Captain actually lived only a few miles at the time from where I do now, hopefully something in the water round these parts! :}

Can someone tell me how to attach a pdf to a thread. I have a 5 page report from a safety magazine that gives all the details of the said 'Galunggung Incident'.

Filming docu-drama on BA 009
 

I am involved in producing a documentary on this incident, and I would love to see if anyone has seen any photos of teh aircraft after it landed. Apparently all paint, or most of it was scraped from the fuselage, adn many of the formard looking windows were made opaque from the ash cloud.

Has anyone actually seen video or still photos of the aircraft after it landed?

Many Thanks,
Dean Perlmutter

Flameout!
 

No question , it was a brilliant performance from the crew.

However, this was a Rolls Royce powered aircraft.

Air Disaster: Volume 2 by Macarthur Job has a good description of the incident from both the flight deck and inside the passenger cabin, as well as several photos and technical drawings.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Air-Disaster...e=UTF8&s=books

:ok:

Part of our introductory and recurrent training on the 47-400 et al was a video titled something like "Avoiding volcanic ash". It contained a reconstruction of the incident including an interview with Eric Moody and video, taken after arrival in Jakarta, of the damage incurred. Very sobering!!:eek:

Thanks! - Do you know who made the video, or what course you were on where? Just anything to point me in the right direction to find this footage.
Thanks,
Dean