ECAM ACTIONS CRM
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ECAM ACTIONS CRM
Hello everyone,
I have a question regarding the ecam actions, because today in a flight simulator, I was going as PF, but I transferred the controls just at the moment that an engine failure detonated, I literally said, you have the controls, and it exploded.
What I did as a consequence was, I HAVE CONTROLS, but, my partner did not know what to do, and wanted to stay with the role of PF, to which I told him, I took the controls again.
We both know what to do, it was just a moment during the instruction that there was this confusion about the simultaneous handover of controls with the failure. I am being trained to be a first officer on the A320, so I am a PF on the right side.
What should be done in this case? Should I have stayed as PM (Pilot Monitoring) or taken the controls again.
I think I should take the controls again, because at that moment I was the one who was clearer about which direction the plane was taking. But at the same time, it was a communication problem between both of us, because it was a fire engine and we wanted to start solving it immediately. I appreciate the answers in advance.
I have a question regarding the ecam actions, because today in a flight simulator, I was going as PF, but I transferred the controls just at the moment that an engine failure detonated, I literally said, you have the controls, and it exploded.
What I did as a consequence was, I HAVE CONTROLS, but, my partner did not know what to do, and wanted to stay with the role of PF, to which I told him, I took the controls again.
We both know what to do, it was just a moment during the instruction that there was this confusion about the simultaneous handover of controls with the failure. I am being trained to be a first officer on the A320, so I am a PF on the right side.
What should be done in this case? Should I have stayed as PM (Pilot Monitoring) or taken the controls again.
I think I should take the controls again, because at that moment I was the one who was clearer about which direction the plane was taking. But at the same time, it was a communication problem between both of us, because it was a fire engine and we wanted to start solving it immediately. I appreciate the answers in advance.
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If you gave controls, then you gave controls .. everything from that moment is handled accordingly
Personally I would have carried out the items as PM, then when things settled again, checklist complete etc, take back controls for the remaining descent and landing. I am not a TRE and don't fly the A320, but I would say this is appropriate cockpit discipline for any multi pilot aircraft. You can't be changing controls during such crucial moments*. It gets very messy. You gave controls, end of.
As for the argument that you were "clearer about which direction the plane was taking" .. I am not so sure. Your colleague was PM, he was monitoring the flight .. how do we not know maybe his understanding was even better than yours? But all this is irrelevant
You gave controls, that's the end of it, you are now PM and you should act accordingly, especially during such a sudden event.
*Unless your colleague ends up doing a very bad job and you must take back control
Personally I would have carried out the items as PM, then when things settled again, checklist complete etc, take back controls for the remaining descent and landing. I am not a TRE and don't fly the A320, but I would say this is appropriate cockpit discipline for any multi pilot aircraft. You can't be changing controls during such crucial moments*. It gets very messy. You gave controls, end of.
As for the argument that you were "clearer about which direction the plane was taking" .. I am not so sure. Your colleague was PM, he was monitoring the flight .. how do we not know maybe his understanding was even better than yours? But all this is irrelevant
You gave controls, that's the end of it, you are now PM and you should act accordingly, especially during such a sudden event.
*Unless your colleague ends up doing a very bad job and you must take back control
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I agree tecnamflyer, unless you feel the result might be catastrophic otherwhise, why add more confusion in an already stressful situation? Clearly and unambiguously complete the handover of control and take it from there. It won't be the last time in your career that the handover will be interrupted, I would try to keep things as simple and as unambiguous as possible.
It might be more interesting for yourself to analyse why there was a trigger to take matters back in your hands. If you were not in an acute life or death situation, then why react that way? If you think you were more in the loop of where the plane was going, then why not use that superior situational awareness in a monitoring roll?
Having said that, handover back and forth of control is often an issue in stressful situations, been there, done that. It takes strict discipline to avoid confusion.
It might be more interesting for yourself to analyse why there was a trigger to take matters back in your hands. If you were not in an acute life or death situation, then why react that way? If you think you were more in the loop of where the plane was going, then why not use that superior situational awareness in a monitoring roll?
Having said that, handover back and forth of control is often an issue in stressful situations, been there, done that. It takes strict discipline to avoid confusion.
