long haul flight time
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long haul flight time
how do you log long haul flying time? 100% of flight time or just 8 hours. a ruling has been passed in my country that pilots on long haul flights can now log a maximum of 8 hours only. so a 17 hour flight will only be credited eight hours in your logbook. i think this is rather unfair and it defeats the purpose of having cruise captains or second officers onboard. the reason for the extra crew is to extend the duty time of the pilots, does it mean that after eight hours the capt relinquishes responsibility of his aircraft? or the second officer after doing his duties cannot be disturbed form his rest in case of an emergency?
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For the purposes of calculating crew duty time and monthly/annual flying totals and rest required then the entire flight duty period should be counted, not just the period at the controls. One or two more unscrupulous operators have tried to suggest that the time spent in the bunk does not exist and does not count towards duty time, rest or monthly/annual totals, this is a blatent abuse of the ICAO guidelines for scheduling ultra long haul flights and should be reported as it now becomes a flight safety issue.
How you personally log the actual flight time in your log book will depend on the rules of the authority your licence was issued by. Some allow the complete time whilst others only permit the actual time at the controls.
How you personally log the actual flight time in your log book will depend on the rules of the authority your licence was issued by. Some allow the complete time whilst others only permit the actual time at the controls.
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Considering that, when in the bunk trying to sleep & eyes wide open, and in the seat, eyes struggling to keep a slit of awakeness, seat time should be ignored & bunk time logged. Ain't it the truth, people?
Can airlines outside the US extend a duty period beyond normal limits when ferrying an empty plane?
A number of former Evergreen Airlines pilots here have claimed that the airline avoided Part 121 duty day limits by having DC-8 crews, or crews on other fleets, ferry a plane for many hours, using part 91 as a legal loophole, this creating an actual duty period much longer than sixteen consecutive hours without rest. This airline was known to claim that a pilot riding in a cramped coach on a three-hour flight was in a legal rest period. This must be just a tiny 'tip of the iceberg'. You can imagine how many events could be ignored by the FAA, especially in the cargo industry which is mostly invisible to the public.
A number of former Evergreen Airlines pilots here have claimed that the airline avoided Part 121 duty day limits by having DC-8 crews, or crews on other fleets, ferry a plane for many hours, using part 91 as a legal loophole, this creating an actual duty period much longer than sixteen consecutive hours without rest. This airline was known to claim that a pilot riding in a cramped coach on a three-hour flight was in a legal rest period. This must be just a tiny 'tip of the iceberg'. You can imagine how many events could be ignored by the FAA, especially in the cargo industry which is mostly invisible to the public.
