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Old 9th Dec 2013, 11:54
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who's fault? ATC

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On 13 March 2012, an Airbus A340-300 on a scheduled passenger flight from Bamako, Mali to Paris CDG, with LVP in force due to fog, continued a night Category 3 ILS approach to runway 08R in IMC beyond the point where there was any possibility of a landing before initiating a go around after which a second approach to the same runway was completed uneventfully.
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An Investigation was carried out by the French BEA based upon flight data from the DAR and interviews with the crew and the controllers involved. By the time the event was notified to the BEA, the CVR recording of the event had been overwritten.
It was confirmed that the aircraft commander had been PF throughout and that, with the aircraft stable at FL090 and about 30nm from the threshold of the allocated landing runway 08R, APP had cleared the aircraft to intercept the ILS LOC. Soon afterwards as the aircraft reached the 3° GS, a clearance to FL080 and then FL060 was given. As a slow descent began in OP DES (Open Descent) mode rather than the SOP VS mode, the ILS LOC was captured, speed remained at 250 knots and deviation above the height of the ILS GS continued to increase. As it passed 7220 ft QNH, the aircraft was still at 250 knots and 17.5nm from the threshold (equivalent to about 1125 ft above the ILS GS) when ATC requested that speed should be maintained at “more than 200 knots” and gave further descent to 3000 ft. The crew selected 220 knots and 3000 ft whilst remaining in OP DES mode so that the rate of descent decreased since in that mode, acquisition of the selected speed takes priority. The rate of descent was increased to 1840 fpm after airbrake deployment but at 10nm from the threshold, the aircraft was at 5500 ft QNH when instructed to maintain a speed of not less than 160 knots and change to TWR. Selection of a lower speed in OP DES mode again had the effect of reducing the rate of descent and increasing the deviation above the GS.
Following clearance to land, the second AP was engaged, slats/flap config 2 selected and at 4nm with the aircraft 2100 feet above the ILS GS height for that range, and with the PFD indicating that the GS was being approached from above, the ILS GS was armed by selecting APPR mode. At that point, the Investigation calculated that the aircraft was within a false lobe radiating at about 10°. About 30 seconds later, when the aircraft was 2nm from the threshold and 2500 feet above it and just after the landing gear had been selected down, the aircraft AP suddenly pitched the aircraft up (towards the captured false GS). Over 12 seconds, pitch increased from 1° to 26°, the vertical speed changed from 1600fpm down to 3300fpm up and airspeed dropped from 160 knots to 130knots. At that point, with the thrust levers at idle, the crew disconnected both autopilots, the PF pushed the control column forward “almost down to the stop” and the airbrakes were stowed. With airspeed increased to 147 knots, AP1 was re-engaged with LOC and GS modes active and CL thrust was selected with the reported intention of commencing a go around. With the aircraft at a height of about 2360 feet directly above the runway threshold, pitch decreased from 2° to -5° and the aircraft began to descend. At this point, by now at about 1600 feet above the runway, “the PF stated that he realised that the modes displayed on the FMA were not appropriate”. He had then disconnected AP1 some 8 seconds after having engaged it, pitched up to about 6° and placed the thrust levers in the TOGA setting. Whilst this pitch attitude was significantly less than the 12.5° specified for a go around, the climb out and a subsequent further approach and landing were found to have proceeded without further difficulties.

The DAR record of the approach reproduced from the Official Report


The crew testimony was summarised as follows:
“The crew knew that they were above the ILS glide path. They explained that they tried to correct the path when the controller cleared them to intercept the ILS. The controller’s clearance strengthened their conviction that they were in a situation enabling them to meet this request. The crew stated that they were tired on approach and not really aware of their distance in relation to the runway threshold. They had planned to continue the approach as far as the stabilisation altitude (1,000 ft).”
It was noted Air France pilot training included use of an SOP for intercepting the ILS GS from above in an A340 with the AP engaged but it was observed that it had not been followed in this event and in any case did not include any operational limits for its use. It was noted that the FAP for a vertical clearance to 3000 feet QNH as given in this case was at 8.2nm.
It was also noted the slight delay in giving descent clearance from FL090 had been the consequence of traffic simultaneously positioning for an approach onto parallel runway 09L.
It was noted that the APP controller’s confidence that the approach for which clearance had been given was achievable had been strengthened by the absence of any mention of difficulties by the pilots. It was also noted that the visual reference points on the controllers radar screen were only applicable for the ‘standard’ descent on the GS from 5000 feet with no equivalent guidance in the case of clearance being to the GS at lower altitudes as in this event.

The formal Conclusion of the Investigation was that the serious incident was due to:
  • Inadequate monitoring of the aeroplane’s flight path by the controller and by the crew during the CAT III precision approach under radar vectoring
  • The crew’s decision to continue the approach after the FAP when the aeroplane was above the glide path
And that the following factors contributed to it:
  • The absence of visual reference points on the controllers’ radar screen for glide path interception at altitudes lower than 5,000 ft.
  • The crew’s use of an unsuitable method to intercept the glide path from above.
  • The autopilot’s capture of an ILS signal from a sidelobe, which generated an excessive increase in pitch attitude.
It was additionally considered that given the time of the event - 0550 local time - flight crew and controller fatigue may have been a factor.

Five Safety Recommendations were made as a result of the Investigation as follows:
  • that the EASA ensure that the national authorities ensure that all operators define explicit operational limits in their documentation providing pilots with assistance in the decision before intercepting the glide path from above [FRAN-2013-005]
  • that the DGAC ensure that operators and the DSNA be made aware of the lessons from the 2006 symposium organised by the DGAC relating to non-stabilised approaches [FRAN-2013-006]
  • that the DGAC study the implementation of a system enabling controllers to determine the vertical position of an aircraft in relation to the published glide path. [FRAN-2013-007]
  • that the EASA ensure that aircraft ILS modes are not engaged on an ILS signal other than the one corresponding to the published descent path; that failing this, a system enabling the crew to be alerted be put in place [FRAN-2013-008]
  • that the EASA ensure that the activation of aircraft ILS modes in autopilot does not lead to inappropriate attitudes during approach [FRAN-2013-009]
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who's fault?

You don't agree with the BEA, then ?

The formal conclusion of the investigation was that the serious incident was due to inadequate monitoring of the aeroplane’s flight path by the controller and by the crew during the CAT III precision approach under radar vectoring
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yes, fatigue is a major problem. but having a super jet that has enough nav capability to tell you where you are all the time may have lead lead us down the garden path.

in the old, old days, vectors were provided to intercept the GS from below, and a check was provided at the OUTER MARKER for crossing altitude.

in the rip roaring days, vectors were provided and sometimes you intercepted the GS from above and forced the plane onto the GS but still checked at the outer marker.



WE are asking too much of everyone, lets' go back to the old days...it might require a tad bit more fuel.


Perhaps plane trips are too long and even relief or augmented crew members should be replaced by multiple legs?


if fatigue is a problem multiple controllers and absolute radar monitoring of approaches must be req'd.
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ATC started the ball rolling...the crew turned it into an own goal...
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In the "old days" ATC were incouraged to give the pilots more info about there navigation and position but the modern approach seems to be "dont worry about the pilots. He has so much sophisticated equipment, he know exactly where he is and what is going on".
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Many different issues in this one. By way of answer to your question, it seems a bit surprising to try and hang much of this on the controller. Traditionally, the crew operate the aircraft and controllers keep them apart. In the UK some years ago there was a highly misguided (in my view) attempt to involve controllers in responsibility for ensuring that the pilot had calculated an appropriate set of minima in poor wx. I think this is now withdrawn or, at least, watered down to a substantial degree.

That said, the controlling technique appears poor and good practise might suggest that the controller be a bit more aware of a sensible descent profile and ILS interception - but as I get older, I hear myself saying that the young controllers today don't have a good grasp of things like that. On the other hand, they often (and consistently) move more traffic in more challenging circumstances than I faced when I was in ops.

Ultimately, all of us in this business have an interest in not seeing accidents and incidents - and we all have a part to play. And sometimes we might need to step outside our normal mode of operation 'just to be sure' everything is OK - maybe just because the pilot doesn't complain about lousy vectoring doesn't mean it will all be OK.

So I'm ambivalent on much of the main question.

Less so on the recommendation that 'the DGAC study the implementation of a system enabling controllers to determine the vertical position of an aircraft in relation to the published glide path'. What, range from touchdown and mode C aren't enough? Every controller should be able to do the three times table (if that doesn't make sense to you, I do hope you're not an approach controller).

But far more interesting to me is the pitch up to capture the 'false' glidepath. The Dutch Safety Board are looking into a similar incident. There's a Safety Alert on the topic and an ongoing investigation. Strangely, this is a much abbreviated document compared to the one that was on the site a couple of weeks ago. I am sure there are good reasons for the original document being withdrawn so I won't share it at present but it appeared to be an excellent investigation of what may be a technical issue associated with certain types of glidepath antenna that could result in a pitch up at the wrong moment. I hope that the full report contains all of the information in the original Safety Alert and that it is published as soon as possible.
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AF?

Is this AF again?
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I don't see how the controller is to blame. What's wrong with "we're too high for the approach, can you give us an extended routeing?"
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Fatigue not mentioned!! Very Strange?
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Originally Posted by BusyB
Fatigue not mentioned!! Very Strange?
- bothered to read the post?

"It was additionally considered that given the time of the event - 0550 local time - flight crew and controller fatigue may have been a factor."

Merde! as they say in France. FL90 at 30nm too 'difficult' for them? Les Pauvres? Why so late with the gear? What is it with this airline?
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in the old, old days, vectors were provided to intercept the GS from below
Every controller should be able to do the three times table
Level flight for 2nm to intercept the GP from below.
Position report passed at least once.
if 3 times tables and height looked wrong distance from touchdown was given with a prompt "confirm you will get the height off".

SID's/STAR's are the norm today. cross point x not below xxxxft/fl.

We move more aircraft safely with standardized ops.

But maybe some of the basic tools of "AT control" are being sidelined while we concentrate on "AT management".
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Surely it's SOP to check the passing altitude against distance from touchdown?
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Just found details of the Dutch Safety Board's Safety Alert (including a link to the original document). Makes very interesting reading, especially for those who enjoy roller-coaster style approaches from above the glidepath.
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