Which qualifications for a job in Safety?
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Burr Styers asks me:
I would add to the beackground requirement an academic qualification or equivalent industrial experience with the basic vocabulary of safety, including hazard analysis, risk analysis, accident and incident analysis, trend identification and monitoring, safety case construction and maintenance.
I would add to the responsilities requirements to (build and) perform and maintain operational hazard and risk analyses and an incident reporting *and analysis* system, continuing trend identification, and maintenance of the operational safety case.
I wouldn't employ anybody who had not demonstrated capability in those areas.
PBL
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Just out of curiosity, and based on your experience, how would you state the roles and responsibilities of an aviation safety manager within an organisation?
I would add to the responsilities requirements to (build and) perform and maintain operational hazard and risk analyses and an incident reporting *and analysis* system, continuing trend identification, and maintenance of the operational safety case.
I wouldn't employ anybody who had not demonstrated capability in those areas.
PBL
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Msc or MBA –for nil aviation experience
Would like to know what is the difference between Msc in Air Transport management and MBA in aviation management?
I have got a offer letter from Griffith university in Australia for MBA in aviation management( Griffith University | Graduate Certificate in Aviation Management - Nathan )
and Buckinghamshire new university in UK for Msc in air transport management for this January batch?(Air Transport Management )
I have done my bachelors degree in electrical and electronics and have worked in dell computers for 2 years as a senior hardware technical support executive. 60 percent of the people have told me that doing these masters degree in a waste of time and the rest 40 % told me that I is a very good way to enter the industry, especially for a person with no aviation experience like me .
From what I come to know, nothing in aviation is 100 % sure. So I am willing to take the chance. Flight operation is what I am mainly interested in! But yes if I don’t get through that I can work in other field also .I take these master degrees as an entry ticket to the aviation industry.
So guys I would like your views on both of the MBA and MSc . If anybody body has finished the above programs from these colleges let me know your feedbacks regarding the university also .It will really help me make a good decision. Thanks a million for your time
I have got a offer letter from Griffith university in Australia for MBA in aviation management( Griffith University | Graduate Certificate in Aviation Management - Nathan )
and Buckinghamshire new university in UK for Msc in air transport management for this January batch?(Air Transport Management )
I have done my bachelors degree in electrical and electronics and have worked in dell computers for 2 years as a senior hardware technical support executive. 60 percent of the people have told me that doing these masters degree in a waste of time and the rest 40 % told me that I is a very good way to enter the industry, especially for a person with no aviation experience like me .
From what I come to know, nothing in aviation is 100 % sure. So I am willing to take the chance. Flight operation is what I am mainly interested in! But yes if I don’t get through that I can work in other field also .I take these master degrees as an entry ticket to the aviation industry.
So guys I would like your views on both of the MBA and MSc . If anybody body has finished the above programs from these colleges let me know your feedbacks regarding the university also .It will really help me make a good decision. Thanks a million for your time
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Hey mate
I've done an MSc in Air Transport Management at Loughborough which was very good. It's taken a few years but I'm now a safety manager for an airline in London. I would definitely recomend getting into health & safety. It a requirement you must fulfill. Its also worth mentioning that a safety manager is totally different to a flight safety officer.
I've done an MSc in Air Transport Management at Loughborough which was very good. It's taken a few years but I'm now a safety manager for an airline in London. I would definitely recomend getting into health & safety. It a requirement you must fulfill. Its also worth mentioning that a safety manager is totally different to a flight safety officer.
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Lorenzen8,
congrats on your good job!
Speaking of UK universities, though, I would disagree with you that a Loughborough MSc gives one a thorough grounding in aviation safety. Loughborough doesn't have anyone with an academic (or other) reputation in aviation safety, and there aren't courses offered on it, as far as I can tell.
In contrast, Cranfield has five people in the Aviation Safety and Certification group, which is one of their five "key areas of activity". And City University, London has an MSc specifically in Air Safety Management, homepage here.
I'm sure this has been said here before, but I'm too lazy to check.
PBL
congrats on your good job!
Speaking of UK universities, though, I would disagree with you that a Loughborough MSc gives one a thorough grounding in aviation safety. Loughborough doesn't have anyone with an academic (or other) reputation in aviation safety, and there aren't courses offered on it, as far as I can tell.
In contrast, Cranfield has five people in the Aviation Safety and Certification group, which is one of their five "key areas of activity". And City University, London has an MSc specifically in Air Safety Management, homepage here.
I'm sure this has been said here before, but I'm too lazy to check.
PBL
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...health and safety....
Perhaps a touch of personal bias, but considering that I did my undergraduate work with a double major in biology and psych, this was simply a natural progression for me.
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A few years ago I was completing the IATA Diploma in SMS when I asked our esteemed lecturer what was the common road within industry to becoming a part of the safety management team at an airline. I asked this question thinking the safety manager was a specific career stream where one would go and do a selection of the courses listed in this thread, throw in a bit of flying experience, and climb the greasy pole.
In other words, train to be a safety professional!
My lecturer advised me that in his extensive consulting experience - over 3/4 of all 'safety managers' were airline captains or flight engineers that had failed their medical and had been put to work in the safety department. If their airline paid for them to complete a 2 week safety related course then that was a bonus.
I believe that there will be a lot of resistance in most airlines in allowing anyone to become a senior safety manager, regardless of your qualifications, unless you have been a Captain in that airline or have experience as a Captain somewhere else. In this industry, 4 bars still has more weight then a PhD when it comes to senior positions in any flight operations related capacity.
Of course if you want to be the COO, recognising the front of an aircraft from the back is purely optional.
In other words, train to be a safety professional!My lecturer advised me that in his extensive consulting experience - over 3/4 of all 'safety managers' were airline captains or flight engineers that had failed their medical and had been put to work in the safety department. If their airline paid for them to complete a 2 week safety related course then that was a bonus.
I believe that there will be a lot of resistance in most airlines in allowing anyone to become a senior safety manager, regardless of your qualifications, unless you have been a Captain in that airline or have experience as a Captain somewhere else. In this industry, 4 bars still has more weight then a PhD when it comes to senior positions in any flight operations related capacity.
Of course if you want to be the COO, recognising the front of an aircraft from the back is purely optional.
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But still,.... a round of applause to appreciate the tremendous work of those who are medically or otherwise retired airline professionals, who now work in, or head up all those airline safety depts around the world. Who work tirelessly, with many other professional bodies, authorities and agencies in furthering aviation safety.
Best regards to all my brother invalids.
SM, congratulations, a new level of crassness achieved.
Best regards to all my brother invalids.
SM, congratulations, a new level of crassness achieved.
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SM,
Maybe if Douglas Bader were here today, (and whose post war career you are well aware of ) had read what you have just posted, ......how do you think he would react ? ......and what would you say to him ?
BS
Maybe if Douglas Bader were here today, (and whose post war career you are well aware of ) had read what you have just posted, ......how do you think he would react ? ......and what would you say to him ?
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A tug of the forelock please chaps when you address SM. 
SM on another thread claims,
SM on another thread claims,
As a human factors expert well versed in the art and science of error
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.....He's the gift that just keeps on giving.
I'm sure many of the regular contributors will agree with his assertion of being........ "Well versed in the art and science of errors"
He does appear to be unusually talented in that direction.
I'm sure many of the regular contributors will agree with his assertion of being........ "Well versed in the art and science of errors"
He does appear to be unusually talented in that direction.
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I have heard some great qualifications and personal/professional attributes mentioned, I agree with just about all of them. In my part of the world basic qualifications plus several years of living and breathing company culture (politics) + developing relationships with the right people (may call it ass kissing) is really what puts people in these positions. The other thing is attending every company brainwashing exercise and convincing the higher ups that it changed your life. The glimmering smile and appearance of ambition is crucial.
I can not imagine life is much different on the other side of the pond or the island where the toilet water flushes back wards. Now on with the more proactive post's...
I can not imagine life is much different on the other side of the pond or the island where the toilet water flushes back wards. Now on with the more proactive post's...
