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Old 21st Jul 2008, 22:20
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F/O making video during takeoff/landing on B737

I came across this video on youtube and I'm still surpriced in finding that the F/O was filming takeoff and landing from the RHS!! Italian airline Air One from FCO to BRI. It's evident that it's not about a fixed camera neither a jumpseat pax filming hanging ahead the pilot. Where is safety?

YouTube - Cockpit night flight FCO-BRI

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At least he hasn't got his tackle out! (Reference to previous 'FO plus camera plus flight deck equals unhappy outcome for FO event').
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Its not the first....it certainly won't be the last.

This is far more common than people realise. Don't you just love youtube
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Try filming as single pilot in a small twin at 20ft (no auto pilot).
I should put that on you tube!
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Its called "MULTI TASKING".

Pilots must be able to multi task in order to carry out their daily job. Videoing a departure is not "unsafe" as (from experience) I have no doubt should there have been any problems the camera would have been ditched in favour of relevant emergency actions!!!!
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@BugSpeed

It it seems that you are serious. Please tell me which airline you work for so as I can avvoid them...........
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How do you all know he's actually holding the camera? There are loads of cameras that could attach to his head.
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Who is actually a pilot here?!! ITS NOT HARD TO FILM AS PNF FROM THE RIGHT HAND SEAT!! and as BugSpeed said "ditch it in favour of relevant emergency actions!!!!"

Who hasn't done a beat up at -20 ft and filmed it in there GA life?

GET OVER IT AND MOVE ON!!

"attached to his head!!!" HA! Maybe he was a skydiver too!!!
That would be more distracting than holding the dam thing.
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I've done videos before both as F/O in many types its good and nice memories... and have done videos (as freight only onboard) as single pilot on 404 videos

besides if something went wrong I presume (as I would anyway) to drop the phone or camera right way and start work if something happened...
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Whoops, sorry captain, silly me....I seem to have dropped my phone, and its stuck under the yaw pedals, just when we were having that problem with the FADEC failure on number two as well!
I thought this was a PROFESSIONAL pilots rumour network? Seems like a good quantity of people here need a stetson and spurs, not professional responsibility!
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Non-PC Plod,

They are actually called "rudder" pedals - yaw is the effect of the control.

Once the engine is running, a FADEC failure, to be honest, is a bit of a non event. Hopefully the other FADEC will have taken over. If it hasn't then oh no - gentle manual thrust and monitor engine instruments for abnormal readings.

If there is a FADEC fail before engine start then you don't start the engine!

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Bugspeed,

I hear what you say, but you are being a bit type-specific. The aircraft I fly have yaw pedals, not rudder pedals, and with a FADEC fail, surely it depends on what the FADEC does when it fails. It wont necessarily always go into a nice freeze, and it could spoil your day
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Dont worry, John R - this is a dream, where we are all "Top Gun", and we get filmed doing exciting things in aeroplanes, wear cool shades and pull chicks to a background of rock music. I think we should get someone to video a wide-bodied jet full of passengers beating up the tower at 100', then handbrake-turn the aircraft onto the parking stand before riding off on a motorbike with no helmet on.
But - in the dream we are all 14 years old!! I hope reality doesnt return!!
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Capn should do the filming

I always prefer to film from the right seat, it has a better eye line.

I only need on hand to land anyway.

Then perhaps I am just too good.


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Old 23rd Sep 2008, 22:00
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put your video cam on the dash board and you can use both hand to fly the plane.
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Oh dear. The point here is not just concern about emergencies, but that the FO is out of the loop as he/she is concentrating elsewhere.

The PNF should be monitoring, and waiting for the SOP calls and actions, they're not doing that if they are filming.

Yeah, we've all done it, the point is that we should not.
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It is a simulator.
Take off and landing at Fiumicino.
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FAA looks at videos taken in cockpits

FAA looks at videos taken in cockpits
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they would only cause a problem when used in the cabin?

Your point is well taken. However, from various flight test work over the years, some cameras in some aircraft cause some problems, most don't. One significance of use in the cockpit is that the crew has a better chance of detecting a problem than would be the case with covert passenger use in the cabin.

.. not suggesting that flight crew should be videotaping .. whilst having to own up to having done some in line operations myself.
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Well it's pretty clear the standards have dropped, apathy increased. With 200 people in the back..how proffessional is this situation? I would have expected this from guys flying a 172.
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