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Mr Mac 1st October 2024 19:09

Not great flying East tonight
 
As has been reported many diverts South tonight due worrying escalations. 3 staff on various airlines all going over Egypt heading into ME. I hope Cairo ATC are on the ball.

Be careful boys and girls out there

Cheers
Mr Mac

Jonty 1st October 2024 20:09

Lots are diverting to Cairo, I’m assuming for fuel.

ManaAdaSystem 1st October 2024 23:39

Not to worry, FlyDubai and Emirates are back to flying through Iran, only hours after Iran fired 200 or so missiles at Israel. It’s not like we can expect anything warlike flying in the other direction anytime soon?
Money before safety.

Diff Tail Shim 2nd October 2024 00:14

The return trade wouldn't be going anywhere near where UAE traffic would be routing I wager.

brak 2nd October 2024 00:48


Originally Posted by ManaAdaSystem (Post 11744157)
Not to worry, FlyDubai and Emirates are back to flying through Iran, only hours after Iran fired 200 or so missiles at Israel. It’s not like we can expect anything warlike flying in the other direction anytime soon?
Money before safety.

UAE will be notified first if/when there is a response. If they are flying, it's because they know it's ok rn.

ManaAdaSystem 2nd October 2024 07:38

You guys think Israel will sent out a NOTAM with attack information if they strike back? You think FlyDubai og Emirates have detailed information about possible targets in Iran and know how to route around these?
Profit before safety. No respect for lives.

PPRuNeUser45738 2nd October 2024 07:55


Originally Posted by ManaAdaSystem (Post 11744272)
You guys think Israel will sent out a NOTAM with attack information if they strike back? You think FlyDubai og Emirates have detailed information about possible targets in Iran and know how to route around these?
Profit before safety. No respect for lives.

Or morals of flying over Russia

robocoder 2nd October 2024 09:00

Found this video elsewhere that may apply to this thread:

https://www.reddit.com/r/aviation/co...e_airline_due/

TheEdge 2nd October 2024 09:37

Well this is even worst:

https://www.linkedin.com/company/avi.../?feedView=all

Lokks like wizzair 7188 (A6-WAA) from EVN to AUH just flew through it, and they kept flying throught Iran till destination.

Wondering if the crew is gonna be questioned ?

Mike Flynn 2nd October 2024 10:12

Israel seeks to reverse EU’s advice to avoid its skies as foreign carriers nix flights

After briefly resuming services to Tel Aviv, many European airlines suspend their flights for longer periods, leaving Israelis stranded abroad with local airlines fully booked.

Efforts by Israeli officials to put pressure on Europe’s aviation regulator to reverse its guidance to avoid Israeli airspace for the coming month might be a case of too little, too late. That’s as a majority of foreign airlines are scrapping their services to the country for an extended period, leaving tens of thousands of Israelis stranded overseas and others unable to go on holidays.

The European Commission and European Union Aviation Safety Agency (EASA) issued a warning over the weekend “not to operate within the airspaces of Lebanon and Israel at all flight levels,” citing “an overall intensification of air strikes and degradation in the security situation.”

Israel’s Transportation Minister Miri Regev, together with the Civil Aviation Authority, have been holding talks with EASA officials in recent days to try and convince the European agency to cancel the warning regarding Israeli airspace.

Very quite over the Middle East today.
https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....892f2cc2a.jpeg

mickjoebill 2nd October 2024 12:55

More extraordinary video of flying below the barrage of ballistic missiles.

nomess 2nd October 2024 13:21

I don’t think it was a BA Aircraft, nothing was in the area at the time, only EK416/206 seemed to pass by Shiraz at around launch time. That is certainly Shiraz in the video.

Certainly was some other aircraft who seemed to be in the launch area however, lucky this time it seems, certainly a stark reminder to ops departments moving forward, no notice given here it seems, just fire away.

TheEdge 2nd October 2024 14:07


Originally Posted by nomess (Post 11744522)
I don’t think it was a BA Aircraft, nothing was in the area at the time, only EK416/206 seemed to pass by Shiraz at around launch time. That is certainly Shiraz in the video.

Certainly was some other aircraft who seemed to be in the launch area however, lucky this time it seems, certainly a stark reminder to ops departments moving forward, no notice given here it seems, just fire away.

I wrote you above, it was Wizzair7188 EVN to AUH...if you check Flightradar you will see they just went through Iran FIR till destination, crazy.

willy wombat 8th October 2024 20:13

Just pax’d DXBLGW on EK. Crew advised slightly longer flight time due avoiding certain airspace. According to Airshow we flew up the gulf well away from Iran then virtually due west across Saudi staying well south of Israel, Lebanon etc and then turned north over Egypt.

Mr Mac 9th October 2024 08:35

Willy Wombat
Thats the standard route at the moment for a lot of carriers. With all the issues in Africa it must be making life difficult / busy for Egyptian ATC, as anything routing to Eastern Africa is going that way as well due to issues in Algeria and central Sahara areas.

Cheers
Mr Mac

ATC Watcher 9th October 2024 10:43

Greece , Cyprus and Cairo are taking a hit ATC wise, at the moment, it should not last much longer . Staff shortage in Athens ACC meant they were already working round the clock this Summer, and now this. Not good :(

ATC Watcher 9th October 2024 11:49

AF662 on 01 Oct :makes the news in France today

Flight AF662, from Paris-Charles de Gaulle to Dubai, was flying over Iraq at the time of the attack. The pilots ‘saw the missiles from the cockpit’, according to LCI. As far as we are concerned, the company's security department is entirely responsible. They asked some aircraft to turn back, but not this one’, said Laurent Veque, a board member of the Syndicat national des pilotes de ligne, section Air France. ‘As the risk is known, it is impossible to take it’, he lamented on LCI on Wednesday 9 October. ‘Light must be shed (...) The health, safety and working conditions committee (CSSCT) will certainly be called in today, we want to know what happened’, he added.
Ballistic missiles travel at a higher altitude than airliners. But according to LCI, the pilots of flight AF662 ‘saw the missiles from the cockpit’, information that Air France did not wish to comment on. According to the news channel, Iraqi air traffic control even wished the plane's crew ‘good luck’ as they began their flight over the country.

Translated , source AFP/LCI website
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OldLurker 9th October 2024 12:16


Originally Posted by ATC Watcher (Post 11748360)
AF662 on 01 Oct :makes the news in France today

Elsewhere it's stated that havng been warned of a possible attack, AF had decided to avoid Iraq airspace from 1700z on 1 October. AF662 exited Iraq airspace shortly before that time. Unfortunately Itan started its attack at around 1645z.

Lonewolf_50 9th October 2024 13:16


According to the news channel, Iraqi air traffic control even wished the plane's crew ‘good luck’ as they began their flight over the country.
That was nice of them. :)​​​​​​​

ATC Watcher 9th October 2024 14:11


Originally Posted by Lonewolf_50 (Post 11748410)
That was nice of them. :)

We are always nice ;) , I used that sentence once to an Aeroflot IL62 in the good old days after I suggested a heading to avoid a CB, which the pilot refused, and ,when I said " OK, good luck then" , he ( well the translator doing the radio at least ) replied ," Thank you but we do not need luck we have a good aircraft ." .


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