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Kraftstoffvondesibel 22nd September 2024 17:34

Haven’t Wideroe’s been buying every low time 100/200/300? They are getting desperate too with a wide network of 800m runways.

Bksmithca 22nd September 2024 18:23


Originally Posted by Dick Smith (Post 11736456)
I’ve heard a rumour that just as the Twin Otter is now being re-manufactured under the Viking name, there is a chance this could happen with the Dash 8 200s.

In Australia, the Sydney to Lord Howe Island service needs a Dash 8 200 because of the short runway.

Has anyone got any information on this rumour?

Afternoon Dick, not sure if you've seen this article. It's a couple of years old but might be what your looking for. https://www.bcbusiness.ca/industries...y-for-takeoff/

Larshjort 22nd September 2024 21:12

ESP Plus
 
Widerøe is in the process of extending the service life of their -100s to 160000 cycles. A similar program would solve the issue.
While there might be a need for a handful of new built -200s, I doubt the business case is there to produce them. Better to keep the existing ones flying.
I can't post links her, but if you search ESP Plus, a press release from 2002 from de Havilland aftermarket support should show up.

Duck Pilot 23rd September 2024 20:02

Supply chain problems for new parts is now a major problem for the classics, specially for parts that aren’t consumables or are not routinely overhauled.

Life extension overhauls are probably the best solution as there currently isn’t a suitable replacement being manufactured, and the ATR certainly doesn’t compare in terms of long term reliability and performance.

With regards to Lord Howe Island, the government would be better off upgrading the airstrip to accommodate regional jets.

Maninthebar 24th September 2024 07:28


Originally Posted by Duck Pilot (Post 11739668)
Supply chain problems for new parts is now a major problem for the classics, specially for parts that aren’t consumables or are not routinely overhauled.

Life extension overhauls are probably the best solution as there currently isn’t a suitable replacement being manufactured, and the ATR certainly doesn’t compare in terms of long term reliability and performance.

With regards to Lord Howe Island, the government would be better off upgrading the airstrip to accommodate regional jets.

Extendingthe runway does not appear to be an option - what did you have in mind?

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....d90ca5fa60.png

procede 24th September 2024 07:49


Originally Posted by Maninthebar (Post 11739853)
Extendingthe runway does not appear to be an option - what did you have in mind?

I think extending for regional jets would be too much. But with some minor modifications, they should be able to increase TODA to 1 km (i.e. the whole paved strip by increasing the size of the turn pads). That should be enough for a normal ATR42-600 with some payload restrictions.

BuzzBox 24th September 2024 11:02


Originally Posted by Maninthebar (Post 11739853)
Extendingthe runway does not appear to be an option - what did you have in mind?

https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....d90ca5fa60.png


A runway extension feasibility study was completed for the Lord Howe Island board about six years ago. It looked at extending the runway 570m to the north-west, into the lagoon, which would allows the operation of Code 3 aircraft such as the DHC8-400. The preliminary business case found the extension would cost about A$200 million and was considered economically unviable.

No idea where it's at now, but I assume it won't go ahead without a significant amount of State and/or Federal Government funding.

Maninthebar 24th September 2024 14:49


Originally Posted by BuzzBox (Post 11739976)
A runway extension feasibility study was completed for the Lord Howe Island board about six years ago. It looked at extending the runway 570m to the north-west, into the lagoon, which would allows the operation of Code 3 aircraft such as the DHC8-400. The preliminary business case found the extension would cost about A$200 million and was considered economically unviable.

No idea where it's at now, but I assume it won't go ahead without a significant amount of State and/or Federal Government funding.

According to Wiki there are but 382 inhabitants and a hard limit of 400 tourists (presumably concurrent rather than annual total).

Capt Fathom 24th September 2024 23:28

There is a link in post #20 to the runway extension feasibility study.

galaxy flyer 25th September 2024 02:09

Give it to Wagner, he’ll build it as Brisbane Far East

Duck Pilot 28th September 2024 10:36

Next generation Albatross that is planned to be manufactured in Darwin may be a suitable alternative to support the Island, if the manufacturer can get investors.

Probably a great opportunity for a launch customer.

DaveReidUK 28th September 2024 16:45


Originally Posted by Duck Pilot (Post 11742250)
Next generation Albatross that is planned to be manufactured in Darwin may be a suitable alternative to support the Island, if the manufacturer can get investors.

A relaunched turbine Albatross strikes me as even more unlikely to see the light of day as a resurrected Dash 8. Time will tell, I guess.

compressor stall 28th September 2024 16:53

They’re pretty serious about it.

But I can’t see CASA being happy for it being used for Air transport for 400nm over water.

Private and niche work, probably a market.

Advance 29th September 2024 00:26

Fly 200 miles? Try 128 !!
 
Captain Fathom, This may be just a slight thread drift however it is 128 nautical miles from Canberra to Sydney and there were 86.5 MILLION available seats on the route in the year to July 2024 - mainly those on the public teat like politicians and public servants.
Yes, there is a train that runs on tracks laid in the 1860's and thanks to the railway union historical society, it is now even slower than it was when new.
Drive, yes, a good option but there are so many potholes on the road you have to blow the horn in case there is a family living in one.

procede 14th November 2024 10:43

ATR has cancelled the ATR42-600S, due to lack of orders.

https://www.flightglobal.com/program...160741.article

Less Hair 14th November 2024 11:08

It must be almost certified? Why not just keep it on offer? I seem to remember they had several Asian customers being seriously interested. Did it hit any technical roadblocks?


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