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Not JFK, but maybe the Bostonian accent!
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So where are all the cries of poor airmanship and judgement by the DELTA B767 Captain (it was his side)? Is that only reserved for foreign crews?
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I love the difference between the media report and the official statement. The media considered it a 'collision' and a 'crash' whereas the official report stated 'came into contact with'.
Shades of 'rocket' for going up and 'plummet' for coming down! |
The NTSB is involved, and the CVRs and FDRs from both planes have been pulled according to a local Boston TV news report just aired. I hope that neither crew was talking about extraneous subjects.
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NTSB Media Release
The National Transportation Safety Board has opened an investigation into last night's collision of two jetliners on a taxiway at Boston Logan Airport. On July 14, 2011, about 7:33 P.M. EDT, a Delta Air Lines B767-300ER, N185DN, operating as Delta flight 266, was taxiing on taxiway B for departure on runway 04 at Boston Logan International Airport (BOS), when its left winglet struck the horizontal stabilizer of an Atlantic Southeast Airlines CRJ900, N132EV, operating as ASA flight 4904, which was number three in line on taxiway M waiting for departure on runway 09. As the B767 approached and passed the intersection with taxiway M, the left winglet of the B767 struck the horizontal tail of the CRJ900. The CRJ900 sustained substantial damage, which included damage to the horizontal tail and vertical tail; the airplane lost fluid in all three hydraulic systems. Parts of the B767 winglet were sheared off and embedded in the tail of the CRJ900. The passengers on the CRJ900 were deplaned on the taxiway, and the B767 taxied back to the terminal. Flight data recorders from both airplanes are en route to NTSB headquarters. Air Safety Investigator Dan Bower is the Investigator-In-Charge. Parties to the investigation include Delta Air Lines, Atlantic Southeast Airlines, the Federal Aviation Administration, and the Air Line Pilots Association. |
Another captain's side wingtip mishap. I wonder if that data is out there - which wing hits more often? I know the numbers are out there that more landing incidents occur on captains landings, I wonder if statistics are kept for things like this?
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Well, that's hardly surprising. A lot of aircraft only have nose wheel steering fitted on the left side so it is impossible for the first officer to taxi the aircraft.
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Update on what happened, including that about the time the metal crumpled, a US Air flight had declared an emergency with possible hydraulic problems and was needing to land on the runway the 767 intended to use.
From photos of the RJ's VS, it was not a gentle touch. Federal investigators give Logan crash highest priority - The Boston Globe |
I'm surprised it doesn't happen more often. Even in a smaller airport such as the one that I work at, if the pilot is unfamiliar or we are in LVPs, then there is a good chance they'll take a wrong turn or mishear GMC. I've heard it a fair few times, where someone's gone down the wrong link, or to the wrong holding point.
In fact a few weeks ago I had to assist a 738 from a certain budget airline that had gone down the wrong cul-de-sac and got stuck. I helped him turn around and get back out on the taxiway to head in the right direction. No damage was done as it was quiet but it happens quite a lot. |
The news article quotes:
“From the cockpit, it’s almost impossible to see your own wingtip,’’ said Greg Reinhardt, a veteran commercial airline pilot with 41 years of flying experience, including six years in 767s for United Airlines. The wings start at the middle of the aircraft, well back behind you’’ and are difficult to see because of the curvature of the airplane’s cockpit, he said. Former United pilot Bob Rossi, who has flown many wide-body jets, including the 767, said aircraft are not supposed to stop on taxiways without authorization, referring to the report that the smaller plane halted abruptly. |
As a non-flyer, I commented on another such incident by asking why there were not video cameras on the wingtips which could be viewed on the main digital screens whilst taxying.
I got shot down but without giving any technical reasons why this was not feasible. Any comments here? (Not trolling, just interested). |
Once upon a time, we had 'gendarmes' with white sticks and a whistle for 'traffic control' on all major town cross-sections. Now we have traffic lights (not always better, in case anybody wants to make that point).
We have autopilots, we have automatic landing, we have TCAS. Isn't it about time, that airport ground movement control made it out of the stone age as well? Or do we need another Tenerife to wake up everybody? |
Delta had better order a load of spare tails for their CRJ's because at the rate that everyne's bashing into them they're gonna run out of CRJ's soon !
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Once upon a time, we had 'gendarmes' with white sticks and a whistle for 'traffic control' on all major town cross-sections. Now we have traffic lights (not always better, in case anybody wants to make that point). We have autopilots, we have automatic landing, we have TCAS. Isn't it about time, that airport ground movement control made it out of the stone age as well? Or do we need another Tenerife to wake up everybody? But anyway, there are lots of gadgets to regulate road traffic and avoid accidents: http://en.clipart-fr.com/data/icons/...ones_01046.pnghttp://fis.ru/miniformat/10052189.jpghttp://www.avtoblik.ru/UserFiles/Image/1064.jpg I really don't understand why all this is not used on aircraft and in airports. What is so difficult about installing traffic lights at hot spots, to be activated by ground controller? Traffic lights or even bars, as on the second picture, at the entrance to the runway? Parking sensors or cameras on wingtips? I'm sure a couple of these would be much much cheaper than having to repair the CRJ's tail... |
Autopilot will not drive anytime soon, because driving is more difficult to automate than flying. Google car that drives itself |
Autopilot will not drive anytime soon, because driving is more difficult to automate than flying. “It’s really just a science project … pushing the boundaries of what’s possible. It’s clearly not something that’s going to make us money any time soon.” |
Well, that's hardly surprising. A lot of aircraft only have nose wheel steering fitted on the left side so it is impossible for the first officer to taxi the aircraft. I don't get what you mean but I'm not real smart either ;) |
Former United pilot Bob Rossi, who has flown many wide-body jets, including the 767, said aircraft are not supposed to stop on taxiways without authorization, referring to the report that the smaller plane halted abruptly. You just have to love these retarded ex-captains who become television experts. What Captain Rossi's utterances prove that he managed to get through a career with Untidy Airlines without fate catching up with his lack of knowledge. |
Thanks IGh.
Off the subject I know, but what do you think the data says about landing incidents - CA or FO landings more often? |
gees,in aviation terminology,the official statement is more professional.
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