For those who doubt my memory - I wasn't on the night flight - the record shows that there were at least three - possibly four pure jet, passenger flights affected by the Indonesian volcano - two southbound at least one northbound and at least one internal. I think one of the southbound was night and the other may have been daylight or night but ours was daylight. There have been over ninety (90) flights worldwide recorded as adversely affected by ingesting volcanic ash (I don't think that includes old Soviet Union flights).

Turned back to SFO and landed back there a couple of hours ago.

May I remind you that Norway shut down their airspace on wednesday evening, some 12+ hours before the UK. Sweden and Finland also had partial closures already wednesday evening.

engine particle control seperator!
 

That is an interesting concept ..you might also add windscreen protection panels as well..I have changed a couple of volcanic abraded screens that do become opaque in PNG!
Also the paint scheme also does'nt fare well.
Main worry is those burners deep in the combustion chambers that have very minute air holes to swirl the fuel into a nice pattern ..they have a tendancy to block l! The fire goes out! Gliding commences!! al la BA 747
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Re-heat, reptile
 

No demand for real time trial by the media.

No conspiracy theory either. Given the immense damage and the real potential for destroying our industry, it is of vital importance that the decision-making process is fully transparent and understood.

Regards

S

Stoic

"No conspiracy theory either. Given the immense damage and the real potential for destroying our industry, it is of vital importance that the decision-making process is fully transparent and understood."

That is an entirely reasonable position. The trouble is that your earlier posts all default to the presumption that there has been an over-reaction, so your last post rings hollow.

pretty picture
 

Can't find an English version at the moment but this is a good link to display the problem Ny: Beregnet spredning per 16. april kl 21 - met.no
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Dogsbody: "Sire, Carruthers is dead, flew through an ash cloud that we'd warned him about."

Top Dog: "Jolly bad show, better close the airspace then."

Sound of hooves disappearing into the distance and stable door flapping in the ash-laden wind.

With apologies to mods but three days of news coverage and nearly 30 pages on here......

What are NATS up to?

If you current data for the next 18 hours, there is a clear corridor into PIK, GLA and EDI.

http://www.metoffice.gov.uk/aviation...1271483349.png

Should they not be working hand it hand with the met office to understand the issue rather than making decisions 2 or 3 hours later

However with the further eruptions, its not going to be looking too good for the next few days.

Totally agreed!

It's fair to say that a good 25-33% of flights from this country that are heading southbound could still take place virtually risk free at a lower level. I'm not saying my numbers are correct but an example might be: A departure out of Gatwick could trod along 100 nm south at 6000ft before being out of the risk zone and then climbing higher and proceeding normally. Clearly this means temporary changes to airspace classification across borders which would affect GA but thats a lot better than having commercial traffic at a complete standstill for a month!

Just an idea, don't shoot me down!

Is the risk not from 0 - FL280

The Dornier research aircraft that flew from Cranfield yesterday reported THREE distinct layers of contaminants BELOW 10 Thousand feet!

Aer Lingus US bound flights for Saturday cancelled
 

Aer Lingus US bound flights have been cancelled today after resuming yesterday. 5 flights arrived from US this morning but all outbound flights have been cancelled.

That's called a walk-back, Stoic. At least you realize it.

So you get airborne from Glasgow and head West climbing above FL200, then turn south. Somewhere around the Brest peninsula you lose an engine, but that's OK because you stabilise at FL220. Your options now are to fly back to Glasgow, press on to Santander or descend through volcanic ash on one engine. The dust cloud from SFC to FL200 covers most of France and South-West of the UK goes out to almost 20W.

I know that this will have a significant effect on airlines that are struggling, but the big hush would be much much worse.

Right, now off to get the BBQ ready for this afternoon.

BBC now saying NATS have announced no flts until 18th 0100BST earliest.

Rongotai

Given that, like one or two other posters on this thread, I used to fly around visible ash clouds in other parts of the world (e.g.Alaska, Indonesia), I must, I now realise, have flown 1000 miles downwind of active volcanoes through invisible ash clouds on numerous occasions. Sorry about the scratches on the engines Lord King!

Regards

S

Reptile

Can you clarify please?

That's a common sense, not insane.
How many more times people will point to FAF F18 who flew through the ash on a purpose?

If we not back to the air by Monday, Tuesday morning we start to fire people. Other airlines the same.

may just be my cars needed a wash anyway, however evidence of a gritty substance on the cars this morning down here in CAVOK Kent.