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BOAC 17th November 2009 20:33

I guess he wanted to write up the snag?

p51guy 17th November 2009 21:13

Using a bullhorn to tell the people to wait for the ferry might not have accomplished much. Maybe the logbook while he was waiting would verify the aircraft was legal for that departure. Once they are standing on the wing I don't know what the captain could do to help them before boarding the boats. Did Sully know at that time he was a hero, not someone who would have to defend himself?

protectthehornet 18th November 2009 00:19

the bullhorn wouldhave been used to communicate and coordinate with the rescuers...indeed, sully stated he was trying to communicate with the boats to ''get the people on the wings first''.

the last thing I would worry about is whether the paperwork was right

twentygrand 18th November 2009 05:50

Hornet
 
I accept your superior personal hygiene routine! Professionals should think "what if" all the time. I've flown all over the world (including over 3 years based in the US) and I recognize Capt Sully as a true professional. I was merely observing that, from an airport with limited options he chose the right one, stuck to his decision and pulled off an amazing feat of airmanship. Perhaps he had considered his course of action in the shower!

ExSp33db1rd 18th November 2009 07:54


I guess he wanted to write up the snag?
or more to the point, ensure that someone else didn't - with a different Agenda ?

Having left the aeroplane after a major event, the first question I was asked by management, was where was the Voyage Report - in the Medias' hands ?

Ye canna be too carrrreful.

Good thinking, Hoskins.

Fantome 20th November 2009 15:43


and I recognize Capt Sully as a true professional
How chuffed will he be to know that!

Sky Sports 21st November 2009 10:37

Just seen the flight sim reconstruction.......amazing. Shows the benefit of sticking to the plan.

Runaway Gun 24th November 2009 16:54

Sully: 'Rock-star sex' life after Hudson landing - San Jose Mercury News

How to spice up your marriage....

Graybeard 26th November 2009 12:36

Back in 1977 when a Southern Airways DC-9 had a dual flameout from hail and landed on a road - within gliding distance of at least one airport - glide ratios and best glide speeds of twinjets were never even discussed, as they were too improbable. Many pilots had no real idea of their mounts' glide potential. Some even became testy when I asked.

Further, Atlanta ATC assumed they had lost two of their three engines, and continued routine handling of their flight.

GB

forget 26th November 2009 12:45


Back in 1977 when a Southern Airways DC-9 had a dual flameout from hail ............ Atlanta ATC assumed they had lost two of their three engines, and continued routine handling of their flight.
Was that an STC?

Graybeard 26th November 2009 13:01

No STC; no third engine. That was back when Boeing Tri-Motors were more prevalent on domestic routes, and losing all thrust was unheard of.

GB

lomapaseo 26th November 2009 16:13


Further, Atlanta ATC assumed they had lost two of their three engines, and continued routine handling of their flight.
Do you have a source for that?

The CVR does not confirm this and I don't recall this coming up in the Public hearing.

arguably the ATC handling sounded routine although helpful to all requests. "you've got our squawk on emergency?... I'm not receiving it but radar contact position is ..."

"allright listen we have lost both engines and I can't tell you the implications of this we've only got two engines and how far is Dobins ...."

Graybeard 27th November 2009 04:22


Do you have a source for that?
Secondhand, 30 years ago.

Although engines are arguably more reliable now, total loss of thrust is more believable.

GB

AirRabbit 29th November 2009 19:39


Originally Posted by Graybeard
Back in 1977 when a Southern Airways DC-9 had a dual flameout from hail and landed on a road - within gliding distance of at least one airport - glide ratios and best glide speeds of twinjets were never even discussed, as they were too improbable. Many pilots had no real idea of their mounts' glide potential. Some even became testy when I asked.
Further, Atlanta ATC assumed they had lost two of their three engines, and continued routine handling of their flight.

I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that I just cannot imagine an air traffic controller, even in 1977, learning or hearing that a B-727 had just lost 2 of its 3 engines would continue "routine handling of the flight." I don't recall the specifics of that particular incident, but I would strongly suspect that if the controllers didn't "get exicited" it was because they weren't advised of anything over which they would get exicited. Being advised of one of the airplanes he was working that lost 2 of 3 engines would, I think, cause any controller to have to go change his shorts! In fact, losing 1 of 3 engines would have at least caused him to stand up and get some attention from others with whom he was working at the time!

barit1 1st December 2009 20:44

If anyone has access to complete NTSB reports, the document for the Southern DC-9 (New Hope, GA, 1977) is DCA77AA015.

jugofpropwash 11th January 2010 03:47

FYI, TLC (The Learning Channel) had a show on tonight (they'll probably run it again) called "Brace for Impact" talking about the crash - showed Sully looking at the remains of the plane wherever it is in storage. All things considered, the damage really doesn't appear that bad, especially considering some of that damage was probably done getting it out of the water and transporting it.

bodypilot 11th January 2010 05:56

Quote "I guess he wanted to write up the snag?"

Now that's funny :-)

albatross 11th January 2010 06:47

How would you write that up?

"Engines won't run- Maybe flooded"

RobertS975 11th January 2010 18:54

The program is available online:

Brace for Impact: Brace For Impact : Video : TLC

It is one hour long, and most of it was fluff. Captain Sully says he made a "mayday" call in the program. Hard to remeber and I do not feel like pouring through this thread, but didn't we give a lot of discussion to the fact that there was no formal mayday call? (Maybe I have this wrong!?)

pmemrick 11th January 2010 19:39

darn, was looking forward to watching it later too. (couldn't find it here in the hotel)

I'm so tired of these programs that dumb everything down like we're all a bunch of idiots. And then recap everything they just said previously after the last commercial break. No wonder I channel surf!

BTW, couldn't find anything but the trailer online.

Cheers


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