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Dani 15th January 2009 21:55

Amazing!

Me as a pilot in the same situation, I'm not sure if I would have tried a ditching but to land on a highway nearby. The history of ditching doesn't look very positive, there are a few lucky exceptions. But to land on a crowded NYC highway could have been very very scary.

Congrats to the crew involved. The fly-by-wire technic from Airbus surely helped also to make a smooth ditching.

Dani

Avitor 15th January 2009 21:56

All of you guys and gals from the pointy end, so rightly generous with your praise for this ACE pilot, are equally capable of emulating his skill, that is why, as SLF, I am always eager and happy to fly behind you.

I think the boys and girls who float on water are due a hell of round of applause in this particular incident too. :D

ACARS 15th January 2009 21:56

CNN have named the pilot -He is part of some safety group/organisation - didn't get his name,

pattern_is_full 15th January 2009 21:59

Random thoughts:

1) What's the glide ratio of a jet this size? Was there even a possibility of making Westchester or Teterboro from the collision point? FlightTrack numbers indicate the pilot had 3,200 feet of altitude to work with.

(Regardless, I think the Hudson made a much better runway - more leeway to adjust speed/touchdown point for the smoothest flare or to avoid obstructions (boats) - and more "emergency equipment" (ferries, tugs, etc.) close to hand. Excellent quick thinking!)

2) I'll give some credit to the pax for remaining calm and orderly in the evac. No doubt the crew's professionalism set the tone.

3) I wonder what folks on the Manhattan shoreline thought - for just an instant - seeing a jet coming in at low altitude.

4) I would love to read not only the ATC/cockpit transcripts, but also the interviews/debriefs the pilots give to NTSB. I want to see step by step how they pulled this off. Just amazing!

ankh 15th January 2009 22:00

OLD photo, PREVIOUS event here
 
http://varifrank.com/images/pa-ditch.jpg

Someone mentioned this earlier; photos from Google Image Search
(Pan American Clipper ditching at sea; you'll find text about it by searching. Yes, the captain had moved all the passengers from the rear forward in the cabin, expecting it to break as it did.)

NOTE -- this one's old news, folks, just for comparison.

AKAAB 15th January 2009 22:00


Does anyone else besides me consider that maybe this crew screwed up? Maybe they actually shut down the good engine during a severe damage engine shutdown while attempting to return to the airport.
Actually, I was wondering the same thing when I heard a number of passenger interviews that only seemed to report one loud bang. We can't trust their immediate recollection after such a traumatic event so I didn't want to mention it.

glazierflyer 15th January 2009 22:02

Well done to the guys up front. Have always been a bit dubious as to whether it was possible. Good result!!!

SIDSTAR 15th January 2009 22:03

Amazing. Another professional crew doing a professional job when called upon, just like the Ryanair crew in CIA.

Looks like a perfectly executed ditching - textbook stuff. Fantastic job, ladies and gents, front and back end.

Hats off all round! Wonderful!

Flap 5 15th January 2009 22:04

The fly by wire computer system would have made a ditching more easy with less likelyhood of a stall, unless the loss of electrical power with the loss of engine power put it into direct law. So the aircraft is solid for this kind of problem.

The crew would have little time to think. They would just be following their training. When they were unable to get back to La Guardia a ditching would be the obvious choice with all the buildings around on land.

Some would say that ditching at 140knots or so would mean it would tip over with the underslung engines. That didn't happen. Maybe the engines ripped off at their connecting points. That loss of weight could account for the aircraft floating for so long.

smckane 15th January 2009 22:07

Looks like MSNBC got that the pilot would be speaking wrong - what a shock there :rolleyes:

On the other hand Mayor Michael Bloomberg is being very sensible and cautious in his public comments, praising pilot, waiting for NTSB, putting down silly rumours - puts most of the commentators to shame! :)

ACARS 15th January 2009 22:08

PPRUNE has just over 7000 people logged on. Looks like highest ever.

Faire d'income 15th January 2009 22:09

Any assumption that an aircraft can fly perfectly well on one engine assumes that the working engine is fully functional. All bets are off if that engine took some damage.

eagle21 15th January 2009 22:10

Congrats to the crew for the ditching!

I guess it won't be long until the audio of a possible mayday call is made public since there is so many public live atc in the States.

overthewing 15th January 2009 22:12

SLF query: if both engines were knocked out, would the cabin lights die? Or do they run off battery power for a bit? Or would the RAT have deployed?

Cyclone733 15th January 2009 22:12

There was a quote from an air traffic union rep on one of news channels earlier saying that the pilots had seen an airfield below them and were at that time considering making an approach into that airport. If I heard correctly the airport in question was Teterboro Airport.

Sounds like the crew were earning every cent of their wages today.

Manc 15th January 2009 22:12


1) What's the glide ratio of a jet this size? Was there even a possibility of making Westchester or Teterboro from the collision point? FlightTrack numbers indicate the pilot had 3,200 feet of altitude to work with.
From the QRH, at green dot speed, approx 2.5nm/1000ft with no wind, average descent rate approx 1600ft/min

barit1 15th January 2009 22:12

Not the first successful ditching of a jet transport. JAL landed a DC-8 (nearly new) off SFO Nov 1968, and UAL recovered the aircraft and rehabbed it. JAL continued to fly it for several years.

misd-agin 15th January 2009 22:14

Pattern is full - glide ratio should be about 18:1, or slightly better.

For every 1000' of altitude you can go 3 n.m. So from their peak altitude if they lost ALL power at THAT point they could go about 9 miles.

As far as landing next to the ferries? The pilot could have adjusted his touchdown point to land at a slightly closer point, but trying to 'stretch' your glide is pointless if you're already at your best glide speed. Best glide speed would probably around 210-220 kts - estimate based on 5 type ratings on different a/c- not A320 qual'd, but jets are jets to a large degree.

shamen123 15th January 2009 22:17

pilot being reported as Sully Sullenberger C. B. "Sully" Sullenberger - LinkedIn

Faire d'income 15th January 2009 22:18


SLF query: if both engines were knocked out, would the cabin lights die? Or do they run off battery power for a bit? Or would the RAT have deployed?
RAT would have deployed automatically.

It only gives power above 140 knots (I think) and they would probably have tried to land slower than that. Looking at the intact hull I'd say the impact happened at very low speed.

Lights would have been on battery power.

One BBC 'expert' reckoned he could see from the pictures that one engine was fully intact. That may turn out to be the case but it is not possible to tell from any picture I've seen if either engine was functional.


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