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I'm just watching this flight operating from Moscow to Varadero. Bearing in mind the flight transits Oceanic airspace,of which the majority of controlling authorities having imposed sanctions, how are the operators getting around this?
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Would also like to know how they can cross a "British Overseas Territory".
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I'm told Russian flights still use HF ACARs on transoceanic flights and ordinary ACARs/VDL2 within range. Strange.
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Originally Posted by 250 kts
(Post 11327756)
I'm just watching this flight operating from Moscow to Varadero. Bearing in mind the flight transits Oceanic airspace, of which the majority of controlling authorities having imposed sanctions, how are the operators getting around this?
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Originally Posted by 250 kts
(Post 11327756)
I'm just watching this flight operating from Moscow to Varadero. Bearing in mind the flight transits Oceanic airspace,of which the majority of controlling authorities having imposed sanctions, how are the operators getting around this?
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Originally Posted by CW247
(Post 11327781)
Would also like to know how they can cross a "British Overseas Territory".
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All Russian flights so far I have seen take very good care to navigante outside of the national (sovereign) airspace of the Countries they are banned, which extends only 12 NM from coast. the rest is international airspace where service is due (ICAO 1944 Convention, Article 12 )
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Originally Posted by happybiker
(Post 11327905)
Originally Posted by CW247
(Post 11327781)
Would also like to know how they can cross a "British Overseas Territory".
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The sanctions have a few limited allowed sanctions. Just bother to read through the relevant notams next time at work.
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Originally Posted by CW247
(Post 11327923)
Why Turks and Caicos, as can be seen!
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Originally Posted by CW247
(Post 11327923)
Why Turks and Caicos, as can be seen! |
Originally Posted by Captivep
(Post 11327957)
It actually looks like it routed between Turks & Caicos and The Bahamas...
So no infringement of either territory's airspace. |
It is very fortunate that ETOPS is mostly a planning exercise.
The first time they divert the aircraft will most likely be impounded..... unless of course they divert to elsewhere in Cuba or some other banana state that has taken lots of Russian money. |
Originally Posted by Captivep
(Post 11327957)
It actually looks like it routed between Turks & Caicos and The Bahamas...
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Originally Posted by WideScreen
(Post 11328102)
No jet scrambling to intercept ?????
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Originally Posted by Magplug
(Post 11328044)
some other banana state that has taken lots of Russian money.
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Originally Posted by Magplug
(Post 11328044)
It is very fortunate that ETOPS is mostly a planning exercise.
The first time they divert the aircraft will most likely be impounded..... unless of course they divert to elsewhere in Cuba or some other banana state that has taken lots of Russian money. |
Originally Posted by ATC Watcher
(Post 11327910)
All Russian flights so far I have seen take very good care to navigante outside of the national (sovereign) airspace of the Countries they are banned, which extends only 12 NM from coast. the rest is international airspace where service is due (ICAO 1944 Convention, Article 12 )
In areas with radar coverage it will be visible to ATC and therefore ATC can deviate other traffic from him, but once it gets in the Atlantic there are large areas where it will be out of radar coverage. |
Originally Posted by zerograv
(Post 11329301)
How does this work in terms of ATC, namely, separating other traffic from this flight ? Does ATC receive their Flight Plan and more or less know what's going on, or that's not the case ?
In areas with radar coverage it will be visible to ATC and therefore ATC can deviate other traffic from him, but once it gets in the Atlantic there are large areas where it will be out of radar coverage. And for ETOPS, the same applies, even without being ETOPS certified, the chances are pretty low you'll need the ETOPS items. Everything around ETOPS & IFR rulings allowed to be sacrificed to get war stuff from all over the world to win the war with Ukraine. Not sure, IF this is applicable to the named flight....... |
Originally Posted by zerograv
(Post 11329301)
How does this work in terms of ATC, namely, separating other traffic from this flight ?
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