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I'm just watching this flight operating from Moscow to Varadero. Bearing in mind the flight transits Oceanic airspace,of which the majority of controlling authorities having imposed sanctions, how are the operators getting around this?
Oceanic airspace does not belong to any country. There is no way that Russian flights can be banned from flying through it.
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All Russian flights so far I have seen take very good care to navigante outside of the national (sovereign) airspace of the Countries they are banned, which extends only 12 NM from coast. the rest is international airspace where service is due (ICAO 1944 Convention, Article 12 )
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It is very fortunate that ETOPS is mostly a planning exercise.
The first time they divert the aircraft will most likely be impounded..... unless of course they divert to elsewhere in Cuba or some other banana state that has taken lots of Russian money.
The first time they divert the aircraft will most likely be impounded..... unless of course they divert to elsewhere in Cuba or some other banana state that has taken lots of Russian money.
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On its way back to Moscow, it passed straight over Colonel Hill Settlement Island, part of The Bahamas. No jet scrambling to intercept ?????
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The friendliness of diversion airports will obviously have been considered when planning. If they were stupid enough to use one stolen from the lessors then it would be easily impounded, but an aircraft genuinely owned by a Russian entity would be unlikely to be impounded. The more likely issues would be related to refusal to deliver fuel and other needed services due to sanctions.
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All Russian flights so far I have seen take very good care to navigante outside of the national (sovereign) airspace of the Countries they are banned, which extends only 12 NM from coast. the rest is international airspace where service is due (ICAO 1944 Convention, Article 12 )
In areas with radar coverage it will be visible to ATC and therefore ATC can deviate other traffic from him, but once it gets in the Atlantic there are large areas where it will be out of radar coverage.
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How does this work in terms of ATC, namely, separating other traffic from this flight ? Does ATC receive their Flight Plan and more or less know what's going on, or that's not the case ?
In areas with radar coverage it will be visible to ATC and therefore ATC can deviate other traffic from him, but once it gets in the Atlantic there are large areas where it will be out of radar coverage.
In areas with radar coverage it will be visible to ATC and therefore ATC can deviate other traffic from him, but once it gets in the Atlantic there are large areas where it will be out of radar coverage.
And for ETOPS, the same applies, even without being ETOPS certified, the chances are pretty low you'll need the ETOPS items.
Everything around ETOPS & IFR rulings allowed to be sacrificed to get war stuff from all over the world to win the war with Ukraine. Not sure, IF this is applicable to the named flight.......
