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scr1 25th Apr 2022 17:28

What would Hot De-icing fluid do to that?

CVividasku 25th Apr 2022 17:28


Originally Posted by Krystal n chips (Post 11220186)
Speed tape is an invaluable "quick fix" and I used it, as do most engineers, many times over the years.

The only reason for those wrinkles, and they are excessive, is poor application technique. Once the patch is cut to size, and in place, you simply ensure even pressure is applied and lo and behold, a smooth surface results. It's not a complex technique. And if you do get a wrinkle, you simply remove the patch....and start again.

Is it possible that wringles, in the other direction (parallel to the airflow), could appear in flight if the wing flexes too much ?
If the wing flexes up, there is less distance to travel but the speed tape is glued, so the speed tape surplus (in distance) has to go up.. and make a wrinkle.
It could be uneven parallel wrinkles, but even then it would probably be a lesser disturbance than perpendicular wrinkles !

Cat Techie 25th Apr 2022 17:37


Originally Posted by scr1 (Post 11220842)
What would Hot De-icing fluid do to that?

​​​​​​Not a lot. The stuff is blasted by 200 to 300 knot rain or hail if flying up and down from the cruise. Let us just say that the engineers that stuck that tape down say a lot for the culture of the place they are from. A young cat techie saw such on a trip there in GW1. It is published in a Dave Gledhill book as well. Bernie's reply "You probably are!" Fits that picture so well.

Cat Techie 25th Apr 2022 19:16


Originally Posted by CVividasku (Post 11220843)
Is it possible that wringles, in the other direction (parallel to the airflow), could appear in flight if the wing flexes too much ?
If the wing flexes up, there is less distance to travel but the speed tape is glued, so the speed tape surplus (in distance) has to go up.. and make a wrinkle.
It could be uneven parallel wrinkles, but even then it would probably be a lesser disturbance than perpendicular wrinkles !

It has been applied by a sh*te metal worker!" I would be embarrassed to apply anything to an aircraft like that! It is gash.

Cat Techie 25th Apr 2022 19:31


Originally Posted by Less Hair (Post 11220157)
The made-for-metal-wings-paint is unable to follow the increased bending of the "softer" CFRP-wing and peels of? How about FOD including by all that tape coming off one day?

Epoxy primers are more flexible than composite structures I would hope. Then again if it is BMS 10-11 type primer, only the primer used of the Pumas was worse (the stuff that dissolved with the slightest touch of MEK). One would have thought the fatigue testing would have shown this problem up quickly in development.

Roger Victor has it sorted,

Two_dogs 25th Apr 2022 20:51

https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....973d3cd69c.jpg

Cat Techie 25th Apr 2022 21:39

Someone had some standards,

https://i.redd.it/qfqmbapgoqv51.jpg

Rodney Rotorslap 25th Apr 2022 22:34

Are we sure it's speed tape? It looks more like duct tape.

Out Of Trim 26th Apr 2022 04:42

It doesn’t look good! Probably best to take it out of service now. Get it repainted soonest! I wouldn’t feel comfortable flying on it like that. 🤔😬👀

MPN11 26th Apr 2022 10:52

Fully concur. As SLF I would find that sight very disconcerting.

DaveReidUK 26th Apr 2022 11:16


Originally Posted by Rodney Rotorslap (Post 11220957)
Are we sure it's speed tape? It looks more like duct tape.

It's still attached to the wing - it's speed tape.

dixi188 26th Apr 2022 12:23


Originally Posted by DaveReidUK (Post 11221113)
It's still attached to the wing - it's speed tape.

I think he means the car has duct tape.

RatherBeFlying 26th Apr 2022 16:56

Much better job on the car than the other examples.

Rodney Rotorslap 26th Apr 2022 22:41


Originally Posted by dixi188 (Post 11221130)
I think he means the car has duct tape.

Actually I was referring to the 787 wing. Last time I handled speed tape it was bright silver (which is why we called it "Instant Airframe"). The stuff on the 787 looks to be grey and plastic. Is there another type of speed tape with which I am unfamiliar?

Pilot DAR 27th Apr 2022 00:22


The stuff on the 787 looks to be grey and plastic.
I thought so too, it's very hard to tell, but I'm suspicious that it's "duct tape" not aluminum speed tape. In any case, I suspect that it's laid the wrong way, the faying edges appear to be at the forward, rather than the rear edge of the spanwise tape. A small area can be seen to be opening up on a pocket of air already. That, and the wrinkles cause me to wonder about the compliance of the "repair" to acceptable data.

For the work required to apply all that tape, I would wonder if it would not have been as easy to apply the correct paint, even temporarily with a roller!

Fournierf5 27th Apr 2022 00:35


Originally Posted by Out Of Trim (Post 11221009)
It doesn’t look good! Probably best to take it out of service now. Get it repainted soonest! I wouldn’t feel comfortable flying on it like that. 🤔😬👀

I'm rather surprised that no one has put up the well-known Bear Chews up Plane, Duct Tape Repair pic yet . . . . if it gets you home!

Winemaker 27th Apr 2022 17:17


Originally Posted by Fournierf5 (Post 11221387)
I'm rather surprised that no one has put up the well-known Bear Chews up Plane, Duct Tape Repair pic yet . . . . if it gets you home!

Except that previous posts suggest the tape has been on for 30± days, That's not just getting you home.....

Cat Techie 27th Apr 2022 20:51


Originally Posted by Winemaker (Post 11221760)
Except that previous posts suggest the tape has been on for 30± days, That's not just getting you home.....

The legal Boeing.com authorised repairs will have life of 1000's of flying hours. If applied properly. ETDs are similar.

Yeehaw22 28th Apr 2022 20:05


Originally Posted by Pilot DAR (Post 11221384)

For the work required to apply all that tape, I would wonder if it would not have been as easy to apply the correct paint, even temporarily with a roller!

No allowance from Boeing to do such a thing. Although I am led to believe something might be in the offing as they just can't get them through the paint facility.

Am surprised its getting everyone's knickers in a twist so much tbh. Has it been applied well? No. But it's just a protective uv screen it's doing nothing else. Granted it looks horrendous and maybe they could come up with a white alternative but The reinspection intervals are long. That shows how concerned Boeing are about it.

I'd imagine there aren't many 787s flying that dont have any speed tape either on the wings or on other paint blemishes or lightning strikes. The biggest problem is you can't just touch them up like an alloy structure, and generally can't be done on the line due to cure times and temperature requirements.

FullWings 28th Apr 2022 21:01

Thing is, if they were patches of ice/frost on the wing of exactly the same dimensions, people would be going nuts if it took off without deicing. There must be a limit to the amount of speed tape you can apply before the manufacturer says enough!? Maybe each patch had separate approval and they had no idea that the whole aircraft was going to look like The Mummy (or Moon Knight...)?


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