BA CityFlyer driver jailed for dodgy logbook
 

Evening Standard

No mention of licence revocation? If ever there was a case....

More on Sky https://news.sky.com/story/british-a...t-job-12578731

I woud be interested to know how he was rumbled. I assume he met the standard? MAybe not

Just wondering if your licence gets revoked if you serve a prison sentence of 12 months or more?

Parker Pens are more prolific than one might imagine. I knew one 737 skipper whose alleged experience was pure fabrication as I knew folk in one of his previous companies (Harbour Air, BC) who told me a completely different story. He's now still floating around SE Asia picking up contracts here and there and telling tall tales.

Yes the old P51 hours. In the RAF our logbook had to have a summary filled in at the end of the month, and countersigned. Once a year that went as far as the Stn Cdr. I continued with monthly summaries as a civilian, but more for my own interest than any requirement.

Years ago we had a guy who had logged loads of mil flying, got in, was capable. I believe he got busted when he got a command and someone who should have known him from their previous life didn't. Turned out he was an ATCo and had logged the hours from the tower. CAA prosecuted and I believe he went to jail. History repeats itself when people forget.

Hi there is an article in The Times (UK) today on this. Basically it says Ii've removed his name) A pilot who lied about his flying experience to get a job with British Airways was found out after pressing a button that “no qualified pilot would do”, sources have told The Times.

The pilot who has been jailed for fraud, worked for BA CityFlyer, a British Airways subsidiary, and Stobart Air, a former Aer Lingus subsidiary, between April 2016 and March 2018. He worked for each airline for about a year. He obtained work as a pilot after entering false details and altering entries in his flight logbook so it appeared that he was more experienced than he was, Snaresbrook crown court in east London was told.

He was jailed for 12 months on Monday after pleading guilty to four charges of fraud and two breaches of the Air Navigation Order 2016. Sources said that BA CityFlyer bosses became concerned about him after an incident in Switzerland in which he “pressed a button on the ground that no qualified pilot would” and they launched an internal investigation.

My question is, what was the button that the pilot pushed, that no pilot would touch??

From what I've read, it's not that clear whether he ever had a licence that could be revoked...

If he’s been flying for Cityflyer and Stobart then he clearly knew how to fly and was type rated so the whole pressing the wrong button thing doesn’t make any real sense??

If I'm not mistaken Stobart (alias Aer Arann) and Cityflyer never had a common type in this time, the Stobart E190 didn't come until afterwards, so must have purported to have two type ratings on the Embraer jet and the ATR turboprop. All Stobart's fleet, and their AOC, were, I believe, registered in Ireland, not the UK, so wonder what the IAA had to say about this.

May well have flown me once or twice.

He got a job on the 190 for Stobart after Cityflyer got rid of him. At the time Stobart were starting an operation on behalf of Cityflyer. I guess someone noticed fairly quickly when the reference request came in.

Says he worked for Cityflyer, then Stobart, from April 2016 to March 2018, about a year with each. The first Stobart Embraer was delivered June 2018. It's a bit difficult having a story about hours not adding up when the reported dates don't appear to add up.

I see Cityflyer say he was "fully qualified", so presumably it is the hours that are key rather than not qualified at all.

Definitely the ‘only fake pilots push this’ button

Another one been caught flying G-BIRO.

Had an example of this in my old company. He even had the brass neck to be lecturing others how it should be done in the Flight Deck. I had my suspicions about a couple of others but could never prove it.

It's been going on for at least 50 years !
I suspected one in the dim and distant when I was a young captain. All his BS just didn't ring true and, although he was quick, knew the manuals inside out and could programme the A/P like a genius, his basic manual flying skills were, well, basic. I've had PPL aeros students who were far more aware of what the aeroplane was doing.
He's presently doing a prison term for something unrelated !

I do know this guy, worked at the same company I did many moons past (is actually as I recall a nice chap) - and obviously in no way, shape or from can condone (or understand!) what he has done - but the outfit we both worked at had a Embraer Lineage 1000 back in 2010, and think he may well have been on that ship there also, prior to that I think he was on Hawkers (HS125).

The vast majority of Parker pens hold the appropriate licences, type ratings and often experience, it is the exaggeration of that experience or creation of fake hours that becomes their downfall. Virtually all of them could have got where they are a little/much later if they'd not decided on 'shortcuts'.

If you have the licences and type ratings, I am wondering what actual law is broken that leads to a significant custodial event. Sure, you have breached your employers' policy on experience, told an untruth to them about your hours, and are correctly dismissed for that. Cityflyer said he had the correct qualifications. Pulling the "wrong knob" on the ground doesn't normally lead to this.

Article 231: CAP393REFERENCE_ONLY.pdf (caa.co.uk)

I was wondering about that too. One year (without probation?) is quite a lot for what he did. Compare that for example to the case of Learjet D-CMMM (https://aviation-safety.net/database...15-0&lang=de): A pilot with multiple fake identites and fake licenses and no typerating crashed in Denmark due to mishandling the fuel system of his plane whilst performing an illegal commercial flight in an unregistered, unmaintained, uninsured plane, therby causing bodily harm to his passenger and endangering the safety of others. All that whilst flying single pilot in a multi pilot plane. Which must be about the maximum number of simultaneous offences that a single person can commit during a 30 minute flight. He was sentenced to 10 months in Denmark.

Many years ago I was peripherally involved with the employment of someone like this for light aircraft duties. The BS was pretty persuasive, and he could kind of fly, but after some weeks he was asked to leave as it became obvious that he couldn’t do the job, even after a fair amount of training. Fast forward a few months and he was seen instructing BCPL students at Elstree; the CAA eventually caught up with him and it turned out he didn’t even have a PPL! I’m not sure but I think that resulted in a custodial sentence for endangerment.

Yup. Long haul Walter Mitty type gets fired from very well known uk long haul airline for logbook falsification. No prosecution as the ceo a very well known Uk entrepreneur with prior links to the record industry didn’t want adverse publicity. Some years later miscreant reappears on a training course for wannabe instructors working for well known but now defunct holiday airline. You couldn’t invent this sh1t or the chutzpah to carry it off.

Fraud by false representation, contrary to the Fraud Act 2006. The representation was that he had more experience than he did in reality, and the intended gain was obtaining employment that he otherwise may not have done.

Indeed, especially if he did not meet the hours/experience requirement to fulfil the role of a Captain, as set out in the airlines operations manual and aircraft insurance requirements.

Many years ago…prospective pilot candidate was being interviewed for a 737 FO position in the US. The hiring board, specifically one current airline Capt, has some questions about the candidate’s logbook. The questions related to time logged on a certain aircraft tail number. The candidate held to his story. Finally, the board Captain had enough and called him a liar. Reason…the hiring board Capt owned said aircraft and had owned it for the previous 20 years! Busted…

Well that's how it should be. The employing company needs to do their own Due Diligence on applicants, particularly for key positions like airline captains.

Given that something outside the licences and type ratings (which apparently were in order) is seen as sufficiently significant to lead to a serious jail sentence if incorrect, I would expect the operators HR department to have a very serious and thorough checking process, which appears not to have taken place. I hope the board of the operators involved has asked some uncomfortable questions of those who have this responsibility at their company.

A prior poster asked what will become of him after his prison sentence is over. I know in the US, if a pilot commits a felony crime he loses his license.

Globespan which went bust in 2009, hired a FO, knowing that he had been convicted on Parker Pen flying.
It first came to light when ‘Gibbo’ was going for promotion at Airtours, claiming military flying time based on actual flights carried out. The CAA revoked his licence, & he began again from scratch. The story broke again in the Daily Express whilst at GSM. Google search will reveal further details.

Had the equivalent crime been committed in medicine, it is doubtful if the GMC would ever have restored his name to the Register?

There was a certain UK Police Air Support Unit who "befriended" a helicopter pilot. Said pilot then talked his way into flying their helicopter - then to their embarrassment it was discovered that he didn't have a commercial licence. He was prosecuted (arguably on incorrect grounds) but incredibly, found not guilty!

https://www.pprune.org/rotorheads/51...ice-pilot.html

There doesn't seem to be any mention of him having gone through the training system. I assume he met their standard or he wouldn't have been on line surely?

Mind you in a previous airline I flew with an FO who was, shall we say, "sub-optimal" and claimed much of his non airline experience was in Alaska. I always had my suspicions, but he got through the system.

And when he comes out - with an offence like that will he be able to apply/receive an airside pass?

Indeed - but the CAA can only revoke a licence that they've issued. If he's gained that experience elsewhere, the best they can hope for is a successful civil prosecution.

Selected ground power off when the apu wasn't running? I've never done that.

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"He was sentenced to 10 months in Denmark"

That's certainly a novel punishment.

I'd urge all of us to try to find out what this button was as, with all my definitely not fradulent experience I have no idea what such a button could be and am genuinely concerned someone might find me out I might push it in error.

I deployed the rubber jungle once in a Challenger as I was in a rush and the APU start knob was right next to the pax oxy…. Glad I didn’t get sent to prison for it 🤪

When airlines don't need pilots the CVs go directly in the bin. When it finally dawns on the management that they are short they can't get candidates into operating seats fast enough. Human nature says when you have your back to the wall, the easiest option is usually the first choice.

Strangely, I have never heard of a Chief Pilot or CAA licensing officer ever going to jail for failing to exercise due diligence!

Me too
 

I did the same on a classic 747 many years ago. Having just got back into the seat after a couple of hours kip on a long range to JNB (I had literally just got back in the seat). A member of Cabin Crew asked for first aid oxygen. Well I moved the wrong switch and the whole lot came down, including of course the automatic announcement.

It was then that I learned there are some switches you can move, but if you think you have moved the wrong switch, or moved the switch in error, you can just move it back again - not so with the pax oxy switch.

An interview without tea and biccies for me back at LHR - and rightly so.


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I'm really not buying the 'wrong button' angle, unless he frequently did it or tried something really out there like blowing a fire bottle?

I was flying a CL30 with a larger gentleman (now retired so I don't suppose he'll mind be recounting) who had some difficulty getting into the flight deck unless the seat was fully down and aft due to his stature. We're ready to go with a full house, and he kicked the pax oxy switch getting into the right seat :ugh: In the end the passengers stowed the masks and appreciated the impromptu free teambuilding exercise! Large man was pissed and reached for the logbook to see who was in the seat last!

On another occasion I grabbed the APU switch instead of the right engine switch, Incase you're wondering that'll shut down the APU. Embarrassing. My point being is that we all will make a mistake at some point so I'm thinking that the 'Wrong Button' angle has to be either part of a pattern of abstract behavior, grossly negligent or, they knew something was up and used it to set the wheels in motion.