masks yes remove middle seat no in EU
at least not in Europe according to reuters- surely that will help all carriers in Europe?
https://www.reuters.com/article/heal...-idUSL8N2CU6HW |
Makes sense. Removing the middle seats is just a no-go IMHO... Especially as 'social distancing' is only a temporary measure! Use a mask and practice personal hygiene! Not hard really!
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Originally Posted by White Knight
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Makes sense. Removing the middle seats is just a no-go IMHO... Especially as 'social distancing' is only a temporary measure! Use a mask and practice personal hygiene! Not hard really!
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Originally Posted by Iomapaseo
If that's really the case, how about removing animals from all passenger flights. I especially feel I need distancing from these and it is also not hard
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Originally Posted by lomapaseo
(Post 10781612)
If that's really the case, how about removing animals from all passenger flights. I especially feel I need distancing from these and it is also not hard
Small pets do NOT belong in the holds, it is pure torture for them, especially when witnessing the treatment they get from loaders. |
Originally Posted by lomapaseo
(Post 10781612)
If that's really the case, how about removing animals from all passenger flights. I especially feel I need distancing from these and it is also not hard
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Originally Posted by Banana Joe
(Post 10781722)
Charter a private aircraft.
It was a conditional question about comparable risks. I don't believe you can force anybody to wear a mask on a plane and still sell seats. So like you and others have said "charter an airplane" that fits your mind set |
Originally Posted by lomapaseo
(Post 10781751)
I don't believe you can force anybody to wear a mask on a plane and still sell seats.
But the F/As won't (can't) insist that you continue to wear it once airborne. |
Originally Posted by DaveReidUK
(Post 10781804)
But the F/As won't (can't) insist that you continue to wear it once airborne. It would not take much to enact a rule about wearing masks, if that's what the industry demands. Peer pressure from other passengers (like the big guy next to you who smacks you in the ear) would take care of any recalcitrant. As inconvenient and ineffectual as it may be (just like the farce that passes for security), if masks are required we will have little choice but to comply. |
Originally Posted by Mach E Avelli
(Post 10782048)
As inconvenient and ineffectual as it may be ....
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I get that, and will wear a mask if that is the requirement. But the effectiveness or otherwise of these masks depends on specifications and quality, so one would hope that airlines will issue a certain standard mask at check in and not accept some junk items passengers buy at the local discount store.
But it won’t give me any great comfort to be stuck in the middle seat between two people who later are found to test positive, masks or no masks. |
Originally Posted by Mach E Avelli
(Post 10782048)
Why not? They can make you wear your seat-belt, hang up on the phone and deny access to the toilet even if you are wetting your pants.
It would not take much to enact a rule about wearing masks, if that's what the industry demands. |
Originally Posted by DaveReidUK
(Post 10782310)
That was my point - in the absence of such a regulation, the cabin crew's hands are tied.
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Originally Posted by fab777
(Post 10782373)
No need for such a rule. Don't want to wear a mask? Taxi back to the gate/land at the nearest suitable airport, and have you removed from my airplane. I already own that right as a commander, to protect my passengers and crew.
In my country, the experts publicly doubt the use and of masks and there are lots of studies which are conflicted. I wouldn't be surprised if the passenger succesfully defends the removing of his mask, depending on the country. Of course you can always try the "passengers are supposed to follow instructions of the crew", but that line has decreases in usefulness too. |
Originally Posted by the_stranger
(Post 10782491)
That is going to be an interesting courtcase, if the passenger decide to sue.
In my country, the experts publicly doubt the use and of masks and there are lots of studies which are conflicted. I wouldn't be surprised if the passenger succesfully defends the removing of his mask, depending on the country. Of course you can always try the "passengers are supposed to follow instructions of the crew", but that line has decreases in usefulness too. The airline should write down in the conditions of air travel (and make sure it is also written all over the place on the website / e-ticket receipt) that it is compulsory to wear a company provided mask anytime onboard the aircraft. Now that brings a couple of problems : 1) what about young children and/or adults with respiratory diseases (such as asthma) whom most likely won't be able to wear a mask for the whole duration of the flight ? 2) It is going to work for short-medium range flights (up to 3 hours I would guess) but what about longer flights ? You can't wear a mask for 15 hours on a long haul flight. |
Originally Posted by Icelanta
(Post 10781717)
Since when does a small dog or cat in a bag/petcase transmit any disease?! 🙄
However, when talking about respiratory viruses and aerosol transmission the answer is "when the bag/petcase exchanges air with the outside". So, yeah you're right, no problem, as long as the bag/petcase is certified escape-proof and airtight... |
Originally Posted by the_stranger
(Post 10782491)
That is going to be an interesting courtcase, if the passenger decide to sue.
In my country, the experts publicly doubt the use and of masks and there are lots of studies which are conflicted. I wouldn't be surprised if the passenger succesfully defends the removing of his mask, depending on the country. |
Reuters report on U.S. airlines mask policies in this post:
https://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/...l#post10780884 |
Try to evaluate pain VS gain and I think that you will find it a worthwhile compromise. Would you give up on a one-week holiday only because you can't tolerate wearing a mask for a couple of hours? Would you ditch negotiations potentially leading to a promising offer for your business just because wearing a mask on the flight is too much to ask for? Would you explain to your friends or relatives that you are not coming to see them anytime soon because you don't want to wear a mask on the plane? This is not going to last forever, I'm quite certain. But, for now, it's the necessary evil to get people flying and hopefully keep as many of us as possible in our jobs.
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I don't wish to lower the tone of the thread, but what about airsickness? Clearly a mask would have to be removed, briefly and hopefully only once.
How bearable would a mask be after using the bag? Would it still be as effective? Do the current provisions for airsickness need to be modified WRT the pandemic? |
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