Sorry to say but the A380 may be on its way to meet Jesus. As TdRacer has said a few times why. That huge jet as cargo plane is untenable. Shame we seem to be losing all of the passenger four holers.

https://www.pprune.org/middle-east/6...tim-clark.html

Sir Tim probably now says the fool that ordered all those EK A380s should be shot! ;)

Quote:

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Emirates Airline President Tim Clark: The A380 “defies gravity” in its success story

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https://www.airbus.com/newsroom/news...ess-story.html

My best educated guess they are doing the same “conversion” which is already done for A320 and A330 family - removal of seats and using the floor space for cargo to be secured by cargo nets attached to the seat rails. There are many limitations coming with it like accessibility in flight for inspection and firefighting. Also the floor load limits remain the same as pax which is a far cry from real freighter. It can only work for medical masks transportation which are in a high demand right now ex China. Typical ratio we see is 10 cubic meters to 1 ton, no idea how much they will get cubic wise but MZFW hardly would be a problem. It is a reasonably cheap temporary solution which is only feasible during the current rush, however the STC is reasonably cheap and the only mod cost is seats removal. I must admit the upper deck loading of A380 might be a problem - it is all about manual labor and access.

Also think so !

Bear in mind that Cargo has two important details. One is weight. The other is volume.

The year was 2010, there was a oil spill in the Gulf of Mexico, and here I go to Houston on completly packed 767 with floating barriers. You would not be able to fit anything else inside. The payload was some 30 tons. A light payload for a 76.

The ORD 727QC crash was United 9963 on March 21, 1968. It was the classic 'ignore the takeoff warning horn' mishap which sadly would be repeated several times in the years to follow.

See: https://www.tailstrike.com/210368.htm

Already been done by Malaysian - suspect all this talk about A380 freighters is only relevant to the current need for PPE.

MASKargo A380 in cargo-only flight ‘first’

A vessel with twice the capacity doesn't need twice the crew, or twice the fuel.

Pity that the operating cost on the A380 is 3 X that of the B777. USD 27 500 vs USD 9000.

Really ? I have difficulty believe in 3 times . You have a source ?

It’s not 3 times, at least if you believe this apparently detailed analysis. Just giving it a quick gander shows maybe 30% but this is all based on cost per pax/mile. Not sure how to extrapolate that to cargo, conversion costs, etc.

https://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...00936119301244

What i read from this document is that using two smaller planes compared to one bigger one, the cost is about 40-50% higher.

For instance: Long haul, standard seat arrangement, 450 pax,
A380: roughly 13,5ct/n mile-pax
B767-300 (@225 pax): roughly 12ct/n mile-pax
So it's 13,5c compared to 24ct. <------ Edit: wrong!!!

Please correct me if i am wrong...

Edit: yes, i was wrong. shouldn't multiply by two as cost is 'per pax'.

It is per pax, so you should not multiply it by 2. So per pax km the 767-300 is cheaper. So two 767's would be ~10% more cost efficient.
What isn't in this equation is the availability of slots. So can you operate two flights?
Also and for freight, the A380 can probably offer a lot more volume. So for low density freight, per m3 km, the A380 might still be more efficient.

Is the 12c per km inclusive of nav charges, landing fees, parking, etc?

All of those are related to maximum take off weight (MTOW), so they generally scale with size. Landing fees often have a minimum MTOW threshold at large airports. Nav charges in Europe use the square root of the MTOW.

So basically, the A380 will generally only have a very small advantage in these costs.

Yes, of course, thank you. Sorry for this.

Which is why many of the EK 380s have an MTOW of 510 tonnes and not the higher 569 or 575 tonne limit...

Any one with pictures of the conversions?

Following is a goto to an article on possible freighter:

A380 Freighter Might Be More Trouble Than It’s Worth For COVID-19 Air Cargo

https://www.forbes.com/sites/willhor.../#4bc3722f75df