A380 'Hovering'
Video from Sky News.
https://news.sky.com/video/storm-den...rport-11935547 (If it also has an ad apologies) |
Minimum Runway Occupancy Time.
(Or does it only look like taxiing on grass? German news Spiegel Online reported that the A380 came to stop on grass.) Edit: obviously fake news by the Spiegel. The aircraft left the runway on a taxiway. |
Originally Posted by Dubaian
(Post 10689030)
Video from Sky News.
https://news.sky.com/video/storm-den...rport-11935547 (If it also has an ad apologies) Fly safe, B-757 |
A little late with the rudder?
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Painful to watch.
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Originally Posted by Midland 331
(Post 10689095)
Painful to watch.
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Sky reporting that they taxied on the grass???
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That is close to criminal. As a Base Trainer, I would have chopped a trainee for that.
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It’s a crosswind landing .
probably better without the commentary from Del Boy,who seems to sit and video all this stuff . |
Originally Posted by fantom
(Post 10689105)
That is close to criminal. As a Base Trainer, I would have chopped a trainee for that.
Also arnt you supposed to train a trainee not chop them... hence your title Training Capt?! |
Originally Posted by fantom
(Post 10689105)
That is close to criminal. As a Base Trainer, I would have chopped a trainee for that.
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What the landing or taxing on the grass?
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Originally Posted by fantom
(Post 10689105)
That is close to criminal. As a Base Trainer, I would have chopped a trainee for that.
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Is this rumour and news or just another boring clip with a commercial aircraft doing a normal X-wind landing..???
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The problem with buying fleets of huge aeroplanes..... that you then fly around half empty..... is that they are a real PITA to land when it's windy!
It is soooo much easier when you have a full load. |
For an ignorant but interested passenger what happens after landing like this which must put massive lateral strain on the gear. Does it get inspected as in a hard landing-too many Gs or are sideways forces not something to cause structural worry.
MInd you they wouldnt be shutting the prodcution line down if it really could hover would they |
Originally Posted by JanetFlight
(Post 10689151)
Is this rumour and news or just another boring clip with a commercial aircraft doing a normal X-wind landing..???
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Glad Media didnt see this one...
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Well said BZ but that was excellent trg conditions. Having agreed that, the pilot needs to display the basics, not wreck the U/c.
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Originally Posted by gearlever
(Post 10689165)
I sincerely hope this is NOT a normal x-wind landing. Not in my book.
Besides the fact i respect your post and your piloting techniques dont forget that Camera angles can do very nice tricks depending the perspective. |
Speaking as a passenger whose first reaction to that video was, "cool!", what is the problem everyone else seems to understand? Is it the strain on the landing gear? Is it the fact that they attempted a landing at all in these conditions? Is there something else about the technique that's wrong?
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Classically the technique is incorrect - however I have been reliably informed that the runway at LHR is considered narrow for an A380, and employing the correct technique in these challenging gusty conditions can increase the chance of striking the outermost engines on the ground. So it appears the 'safest' thing to do in conditions like these is to plant it on the deck and let physics take care of the rest.
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From Flight Operations Briefing Notes ...”the objectives of the lateral control of the aircraft during the flare are to land in the centreline, and to minimise the liars on the main landing gear” Hmmm. 🤔
Well, he may have complied with the first part but as to the second... |
Sorry, should have read “loads on the main landing gear”
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Was it a wholly manual landing or part automatic with the pilot adjusting track
very deceptive cameras angle too |
Originally Posted by Deltasierra010
(Post 10689189)
Was it a wholly manual landing or part automatic with the pilot adjusting track
very deceptive cameras angle too |
First, fully manual landing, possibly using autothrust but equally possibly not.
Technique down to flare was good, then it turned to worms. Start the flare and then kick off the crab, Try to touchdown pointing down the runway (Thats when its at its longest!!!). Steer with rudder until nosewheel steering becomes effective. The runway at LHR is not narrow for an A380, it is 60m wide! Where do you hear this drivel? |
For those who prefer not to use the Sky News link.
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Originally Posted by Deltasierra010
(Post 10689189)
Was it a wholly manual landing or part automatic with the pilot adjusting track
very deceptive cameras angle too |
Technique is not good if you're kicking the rudder, and then letting it go back to neutral, prior to cross controlling for the flare.
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Originally Posted by fantom
(Post 10689105)
That is close to criminal. As a Base Trainer, I would have chopped a trainee for that.
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Is there an argument for future aircraft of A-380 size, having an under carriage which can be offset in a similar way to a B-52 for a crosswind landing?
Clive |
Cool...you have a x-wind landing clip filming from the front and you say its gonna be different with you...? Besides the fact i respect your post and your piloting techniques dont forget that Camera angles can do very nice tricks depending the perspective. totally agree with fantom and beardy. |
Reported winds at the time?
Originally Posted by Bravo Zulu
(Post 10689115)
Well as a base trainer I'm sure you wouldn't be training in those conditions...
Also aren't you supposed to train a trainee... hence your title Training Capt?! |
Disappointed in some of the comments on here.
It may have been a poor landing, but there's no need to imply that the PF should "face the chop" as a result. In this career of professional like-minded people, I'm sure he will review this, learn from it, recognise this situation in the future, and respond to it better. TVM, ZH871 |
If you do a crosswind landing and you kick the rudder the wrong way... not pretty!
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The PF needs to be retrained .CM1 demoted . Absolutely incorrect technique used and very poor decision to continue to land . ZFT requires landing properly at max x cross wind
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After having done this many times in the Whale, up to 48 kts direct cross, including even with #1 or #4 shutdown, .... e.g., at KEF, ....both manually and with A/L, ...it would be my advice that one needs to know both the actual wind and gust environment, as well as the instantaneous drift rate and accelerations, and fuel state, and alternates state, and other factors too, ....so as to be able to make a reliable judgement about either pilot technique, use of rudder and lateral control, or flare technique. So... Perhaps an assessment might be best left to the crew's chief pilot to review all those kinds of parameters, as well as the DFDR data, before making any judgement, other than being thankful that in the end it apparently turned out to be a successful landing, with the aircraft appearing to be undamaged? Have we stopped giving the flight crews who were in the seat, at least the benefit of the doubt?
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Hey fantom, you weren't infallible. You scared me a couple of times, but I was in no position to chop you :)
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Width of Heathrow runways is 50m, isn't it?
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