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In the late 90s I worked the overnight shift on the ramp in Norfolk, VA (ORF), home of Ford’s F-150 production line. Ford was continuously working out the bugs of just-in-time inventory control, and so it was rare for an evening to pass without some classic (if not antique) cargo plane to pull up unannounced with a load of parts. No expense was spared to keep the production line running. The most memorable was a DC-8...taxied in, the pilot opened his cockpit window and dropped a paper grocery bag down to the ramp. I never did learn what was in the bag. It weighed maybe five pounds. Whatever it was, it warranted a DC-8 flight at 2AM. |
Originally Posted by Airmotive
(Post 10568158)
The most memorable was a DC-8...taxied in, the pilot opened his cockpit window and dropped a paper grocery bag down to the ramp. I never did learn what was in the bag. |
Originally Posted by srjumbo747
(Post 10567954)
Condolences to all concerned. Is it normal in the US to have pilots over 65 to fly commercially together? |
Originally Posted by srjumbo747
(Post 10567954)
Condolences to all concerned. Is it normal in the US to have pilots over 65 to fly commercially together? You would have to define normal. Parts 91k, 125 and 135 do not have any age restrictions. But of the ~283 thousand active commercial and ATP pilots in the US there were 46,511 older than 65 the beginning of this year or about 16 percent. So over all. |
Condolences to the families and may the pilots RIP. In looking at their certificates, I wonder if they were ex Air America or Continental Air Services guys.
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From the above pictures the direction of the crash appears to have been roughly in the direction of the arrow, which would make it a very steep turn onto final from that position. The flightaware track shows they made a left hand downwind pattern for the runway.
https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....f7f775fbc0.png |
NTSB preliminary reort. No indication as to what may have happened.
https://app.ntsb.gov/pdfgenerator/Re...relim&IType=MA |
A sad event. Condolences to all the families concerned. N24DR in better times.
(Image attributed to Flightaware.) https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....00c04cd27b.jpg |
A not-helpful statement in the media:
"“I’m surprised it does not have a black box. Obviously, the black box is proved to be an extremely useful tool in aviation investigations and I don’t know if this plane was required to have a black box or not,” said James Hall, a former NTSB board chairman and current managing partner of Hall & Associates in Washington." https://www.toledoblade.com/local/po...es/20190912111 I'll throw out some possibilities: load/CG shift or PIC medical event on final. |
Originally Posted by MarkerInbound
(Post 10567910)
Under 121 or 125 they would have to have a basic 11 channel FDR. There is no requirement for a CVR. Given the ambient background noise a CVR wouldn’t pick up much that’s not on the ATC tapes. FDR's are not required for recip aircraft, even under Part 121. |
Originally Posted by MarkerInbound
(Post 10567913)
Interesting that both of them have, besides the recip Convair type, DC-3 types, CW-46 types and YS-11 types. Guessing they had worked together for many years. |
Originally Posted by XB70_Valkyrie
(Post 10581586)
I'll throw out some possibilities: load/CG shift or PIC medical event on final. |
Originally Posted by Raffles S.A.
(Post 10582590)
Overbanking to get onto final? Looks at the image I posted above. Also 2am in the morning, in their WOCL.
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Was this plane piston-engined, as the turbo retrofits were designated CV-660?
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Originally Posted by BRE
(Post 10582925)
Was this plane piston-engined, as the turbo retrofits were designated CV-660?
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Originally Posted by BRE
(Post 10582925)
Was this plane piston-engined, as the turbo retrofits were designated CV-660?
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yes, it is still piston powered...(see the photo)...and the above mentioned YS-11 is a turboprop, RR Dart powered, never was a recip
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Originally Posted by cats_five
(Post 10582861)
If the turn is balanced and airspeed is constant the only extra force on the load is some g - how much depends on the angle of bank.
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Originally Posted by A Squared
(Post 10582013)
FDR's are not required for recip aircraft, even under Part 121.
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Originally Posted by A Squared
(Post 10582014)
Not necessarily, DC-3s, Recip Convairs, and C-46's were all pretty common in the non-sked world in the 1960's and 70's even into the 1980's there's a few of each still operating in various places.
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