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BayAreaLondoner 7th Sep 2019 04:25

Door blows out during ground test on Boeing 777X jet
 
I don’t think that this has been posted yet but this happened tonight. https://www.seattletimes.com/busines...eing-777x-jet/

Door blows out during ground test on Boeing 777X jet

Dominic Gates
Sep. 6, 2019 at 6:55 pm Updated Sep. 6, 2019 at 8:31 pm
By Seattle Times aerospace reporter

Boeing’s new widebody jet, the 777X, suffered a setback Thursday afternoon during a high-pressure stress test on the ground when one of the airplane’s cargo doors exploded outward.

One 777X employee working in a nearby bay at Boeing’s Everett plant said he heard “a loud boom and the ground shook.”

The accident happened to what’s called the “static test airplane,” one of the two airplanes in any new jet program that are built for ground testing only and will never fly. It was during the final test that must be passed as part of the airplane’s certification by the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA).

The failure of the door will require careful analysis to find out why it happened, and it may mean Boeing will have to replace the door and repeat the test.

The 777X program is already delayed due to a problem with development of the GE-9X engine that will power it. In July, Boeing CEO Dennis Muilenburg revealed on a quarterly earnings call that the first 777X intended to fly, which rolled out of the Everett factory in March, will not make it into the air until next year.

This ground test failure is another blow.

The static test plane is the one that is deliberately stressed well beyond the limits of normal service. The airplane is surrounded by a metal framework while weights passing through pulleys are fixed to the wings and other parts of the airframe.

During the ultimate load test, the wings are then pulled upward. To pass the test and be certified, the wings must bend without breaking until the load on them reaches at least 150 percent of the normally expected load.

In addition, the skin panels that cover both the wings and the fuselage are pressurized to the maximum stress that would be expected at the edge of any extreme maneuver anticipated in service. The pressure is ratcheted up by pumping air into the cabin.

Sometimes this final test is continued beyond the 150 percent load target until a wing actually breaks. But not always. The carbon-composite wings on the 787 Dreamliner are so flexible that when Boeing tested those in 2010 they bent upward by about 25 feet and, having comfortably surpassed the target load, Boeing halted the test without breaking them.

The massively larger wings of the 777X are also carbon composite, with a folding tip, and during Thursday’s test those must have flexed in a similarly impressive way to those of the 787. This time, however, though the wings did not give way; it was one of the doors that failed — an outcome that is definitely not supposed to happen.

The entire area around the static airplane is typically cleared during this test, with all the measurements taken by monitoring equipment and with engineers watching anxiously on a video link as the load slowly inches up toward the target and the pressure increases.

No one was injured in Thursday’s door explosion, which happened shortly after 1:30 p.m., and everyone was able to exit the building.

On Friday, according to Boeing employees, caution tape was attached to all the entry doors and no one was allowed into the building.

After the incident was first reported Friday by KOMO News, Boeing confirmed that a serious incident had occurred but offered few details.

“During final load testing on the 777X static test airplane, the team encountered an issue that required suspension of the test,” it said in a statement. “The event is under review and the team is working to understand root cause.”

Boeing went on to emphasize that “the testing conditions were well beyond any load expected in commercial service” and that the plane used in the test “will never fly or be used in passenger service.”

Because the GE engine issue has already pushed the jet’s flight tests into next year, it’s possible Boeing may have time to analyze and redo the ultimate load ground test without a further hit to the schedule.

Dominic Gates: 206-464-2963 or [email protected]; on Twitter: @dominicgates.

UltraFan 7th Sep 2019 05:23

The real blow to Boeing, though, is that in all their years in Seattle, they failed to raise a new generation of aviation journalists. In the heart of American civil aviation you'd expect slightly higher standard of reporting.

BayAreaLondoner 7th Sep 2019 06:26


Originally Posted by Bend alot (Post 10563890)
Odd to test wings with the cabin pressurised?

No but the way I read it, they seemed to be tying wing testing to destruction to the door blowing off. Or maybe it is just late and I should re-read it.

FlightlessParrot 7th Sep 2019 06:35


Originally Posted by BayAreaLondoner (Post 10563895)
No but the way I read it, they seemed to be tying wing testing to destruction to the door blowing off. Or maybe it is just late and I should re-read it.

I think the piece confuses or combines stress testing and pressure testing, as in this passage:


" During the ultimate load test, the wings are then pulled upward. To pass the test and be certified, the wings must bend without breaking until the load on them reaches at least 150 percent of the normally expected load.

In addition, the skin panels that cover both the wings and the fuselage are pressurized to the maximum stress that would be expected at the edge of any extreme maneuver anticipated in service. The pressure is ratcheted up by pumping air into the cabin."
I don't think that however early you get up in the morning, that passage is going to make sense.

Dave Therhino 7th Sep 2019 06:57

The article is a bit amateurish. Even with the poor article information, it's clear that the test they were doing was the positive g wing loading ultimate load test. Ultimate load is defined as 1.5 times the limit load. I don't know what limit positive load factor is used for the new 777, but it is required to be at least 2.5 g. So their target was to apply loads corresponding to the airplane pulling at least 3.75 g. That test is required by regulation to be done with the fuselage pressurized to the maximum cabin pressure differential. They apparently got a surprise before they made it to the target load. They are trying to give the impression that the door just popped out. However, plug doors don't just pop out. I suspect some significant structural failure of the fuselage occurred to cause the door to be released like that.

MemberBerry 7th Sep 2019 07:18


Originally Posted by Dave Therhino (Post 10563908)
They are trying to give the impression that the door just popped out. However, plug doors don't just pop out. I suspect some significant structural failure of the fuselage occurred to cause the door to be released like that.

Are the cargo doors on the 777X plug doors? That seems unlikely. The doors from the 777-300ER don't seem to be plug doors:

https://i.ytimg.com/vi/539ZeAbu7yk/maxresdefault.jpg

DaveReidUK 7th Sep 2019 07:26


Originally Posted by Dave Therhino (Post 10563908)
They are trying to give the impression that the door just popped out. However, plug doors don't just pop out. I suspect some significant structural failure of the fuselage occurred to cause the door to be released like that.

Underfloor container hold doors on widebodies are rarely plug-type. They certainly aren't on the current 777 and I'd be very surprised if they are on the 777X.

I would suspect an issue with the locking mechanism rather than any significant structural failure.

Dave Therhino 7th Sep 2019 07:31

I know the article above says cargo door, but from other articles I had the impression it was one of the main cabin doors that had failed. I don't know if that's correct.

Bend alot 7th Sep 2019 07:33


Originally Posted by DaveReidUK (Post 10563927)
Underfloor container hold doors on widebodies are rarely plug-type. They certainly aren't on the current 777 and I'd be very surprised if they are on the 777X.

I would suspect an issue with the locking mechanism rather than any significant structural failure.

I would expect max diff will have been tested prior to wing loading. If that is true it is not a locking mechanism failure, but stuff is bending/breaking in the structure when wing loading is applied.

Dave Therhino 7th Sep 2019 07:44


Originally Posted by Bend alot (Post 10563931)
I would expect max diff will have been tested prior to wing loading. .

I believe that is correct. The wing bending test is usually taken to a destructive result, so it is usually planned to be the last test performed on that test airplane.

Stuart Sutcliffe 7th Sep 2019 07:58


Originally Posted by Bend alot (Post 10563931)
I would expect max diff will have been tested prior to wing loading. If that is true it is not a locking mechanism failure, but stuff is bending/breaking in the structure when wing loading is applied.

No, that isn't necessarily the case, surely?. Tension applied for a wing loading text could just as easily distort part of any door locking mechanism (load transmitted through the airframe, of course) such that the locking mechanism gives way, rather than the airframe.

DaveReidUK 7th Sep 2019 08:21


Originally Posted by Dave Therhino (Post 10563930)
I know the article above says cargo door, but from other articles I had the impression it was one of the main cabin doors that had failed. I don't know if that's correct.

Many of the reports on the Net say simply "a door", but I haven't seen any that contradict the Seattle Times article and explicitly identify it as a passenger door.

Bend alot 7th Sep 2019 08:25


Originally Posted by Stuart Sutcliffe (Post 10563949)
No, that isn't necessarily the case, surely?. Tension applied for a wing loading text could just as easily distort part of any door locking mechanism (load transmitted through the airframe, of course) such that the locking mechanism gives way, rather than the airframe.

If the airframe distorts to break part of the lock mechanism, I will call it a airframe structural failure.

Beefing up the lock could work, but is a band-aid.

If that is the problem and not just a new problem now the FAA have been woken.

OldLurker 7th Sep 2019 08:42


Originally Posted by Bend alot (Post 10563961)
If the airframe distorts to break part of the lock mechanism, I will call it a airframe structural failure.

Beefing up the lock could work, but is a band-aid.

If that is the problem and not just a new problem now the FAA have been woken.

Let's hope the FAA have been properly woken. I’m surprised that nobody has mentioned the DC-10 yet.

DaveReidUK 7th Sep 2019 08:54


Originally Posted by OldLurker (Post 10563970)
I’m surprised that nobody has mentioned the DC-10 yet.

Probably because it's highly unlikely that any of the factors that contributed to the AA or TK accidents were present in this latest event, despite the outwardly similar (npi) outcome.

Bend alot 7th Sep 2019 08:59


Originally Posted by OldLurker (Post 10563970)
Let's hope the FAA have been properly woken. I’m surprised that nobody has mentioned the DC-10 yet.

At least they were present, but surprised they were "quiet" after the event. I would expect they would have had questions.

Speed of Sound 7th Sep 2019 09:02


Originally Posted by Stuart Sutcliffe (Post 10563949)
No, that isn't necessarily the case, surely?. Tension applied for a wing loading text could just as easily distort part of any door locking mechanism (load transmitted through the airframe, of course) such that the locking mechanism gives way, rather than the airframe.

The door locking mechanism in that case would be the part attached to the doorframe rather than the door. That cannot be done without distorting the part of the airframe that the mechanism is attached to.

ManaAdaSystem 7th Sep 2019 10:16


Originally Posted by DaveReidUK (Post 10563958)
Many of the reports on the Net say simply "a door", but I haven't seen any that contradict the Seattle Times article and explicitly identify it as a passenger door.


Boeing’s new widebody jet, the 777X, suffered a setback Thursday afternoon during a high-pressure stress test on the ground when one of the airplane’s cargo doors exploded outward.
When you bend the wings, surely that will affect the body as well?


DaveReidUK 7th Sep 2019 10:45


Originally Posted by ManaAdaSystem (Post 10564044)
When you bend the wings, surely that will affect the body as well?

Well yes, but beyond the centre wing box probably not that much. It's possible, of course, that the reason the door let go isn't connected with the wing flexing.

https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....1a1c36d438.jpg

The "least worst" outcome for Boeing, it terms of its effect on the development programme, would be if it turns out to be an unrelated defect with the locking system that manifested itself at 150% of max cabin diff (still not good news, of course). I'm not familiar with the 777 cargo door, but looking at photos it appears to use a fairly standard combination of C-latches and shoot-bolts, which are normally pretty robust and reliable.

golfyankeesierra 7th Sep 2019 10:52


Originally Posted by DaveReidUK (Post 10564063)
.....The "least worst" outcome for Boeing, it terms of its effect on the development programme, would be if it turns out to be an unrelated defect with the locking system that manifested itself at 150% of max cabin diff......

And the “worst worst” outcome will be when it turns out to be exactly the same design as the current gen B777. (Á la B737-trim-wheel-size issue).

Smythe 7th Sep 2019 11:25

several tests, static load test, final load test, and ultimate load test. I seem to remember final load test was 75% of ultimate? For ultimate, they take it to the ultimate load, and hold for 3 seconds....it appears from the press, it failed under final load, and they never got to ultimate...

Then, there is the "official" word from Boeing..

New York (AFP) - Boeing has suspended testing on its new long-haul 777X aircraft, the company said Friday, a setback that comes as it battles to rebound from the crisis surrounding the 737 MAX.

The so-called "final load" tests are part of the aircraft certification process, overseen by inspectors from the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA), and meant to subject the plane to "loads and stresses well beyond normal operational loads," a Boeing spokesman told AFP in an email.

https://news.yahoo.com/boeing-suspen...013019287.html

"During final load testing on the 777X static test airplane, the team encountered an issue that required suspension of the test," the spokesman said.

"The testing conditions were well beyond any load expected in commercial service. The event is under review and the team is working to understand root cause."

misd-agin 7th Sep 2019 11:55


Originally Posted by Bend alot (Post 10563981)
At least they were present, but surprised they were "quiet" after the event. I would expect they would have had questions.

They would have a lot of questions in private. How often do we see the FAA announcing failures during the construction or testing process? Probably never. They leave that up to the corporate PR folks.

GordonR_Cape 7th Sep 2019 12:09


Originally Posted by golfyankeesierra (Post 10564067)

And the “worst worst” outcome will be when it turns out to be exactly the same design as the current gen B777. (Á la B737-trim-wheel-size issue).

The 777X wing-box is definitely not the same as the 777 design: https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...ncy-co-454156/

Shoichiro Tozuka, president of Subaru’s aerospace unit, notes that the aluminum/titanium wing box that the company produces for the 777-8 and -9 is considerably heavier than that it builds for the legacy 777 programme.

He adds that the new wing-box uses considerably more titanium than the previous 777 wing-box. “We use a lot of titanium parts, which we have experience with from 787 center wing-box production.”

DaveReidUK 7th Sep 2019 12:39


Originally Posted by GordonR_Cape (Post 10564118)
The 777X wing-box is definitely not the same as the 777 design: https://www.flightglobal.com/news/ar...ncy-co-454156/

GYS was referring to the cargo door locking system. I'd be surprised if that is much different from the current 777's.

Aihkio 7th Sep 2019 12:55

When the wing has the max +g load the fuselage has a high bending load tension at the top. A heavy landing might cause slightly higher bending moment but the sense is the same. I have never calculated the shear but I expect a heavy landing would be the worst case.

Freight doors being at the lower half of the hull would require some strange shape changes to pop off as it would be under longitudinal compression.

Easy Street 7th Sep 2019 13:10


Originally Posted by Aihkio (Post 10564143)
When the wing has the max +g load the fuselage has a high bending load tension at the top. A heavy landing might cause slightly higher bending moment but the sense is the same. I have never calculated the shear but I expect a heavy landing would be the worst case.

Freight doors being at the lower half of the hull would require some strange shape changes to pop off as it would be under longitudinal compression.

Isn’t that only true in flight? During a static test of the wings there will be no bending of the fuselage as the centre section is pinned down to oppose the wing-bending force. Circumferential distortion, maybe...

Aihkio 7th Sep 2019 13:22

It depends on the test restraints. If only the wing and center wing box were to be tested there would be no reason to have the fuselage there at all. From strength calculation point of view the box is not that difficult, the fuselage part connecting to it is.

Speed of Sound 7th Sep 2019 13:24

I don't have any experience of this kind of testing but surely between the various phases (such as wing load test and pressure tests) the entire airframe would be checked over for any unintended damage as a result of the previously completed test forces.

Isn’t this much more likely to be a single event such as a damaged, poorly fabricated, mis-aligned or poorly installed locking mechanism? (if indeed it was the lock mechanism which failed)

edmundronald 7th Sep 2019 13:30


Originally Posted by OldLurker (Post 10563970)
Let's hope the FAA have been properly woken. I’m surprised that nobody has mentioned the DC-10 yet.

Indeed. The issue is not a single test failure - that's what tests are there for. The issue is whether Boeing is going to identify the cause of the failure and ensure that it doesn't propagate through to the airframes that get put in service. After the 737 MAX MCAS debacle, the company is now known to be a bit hurried with its fixes, while the FAA plays the role of a cheerleader for the single major US vendor.

Edmund

lomapaseo 7th Sep 2019 13:36


At least they were present, but surprised they were "quiet" after the event. I would expect they would have had questions.
more likely "call us when you're ready to submit a new cert plan" meanwhile we'll shuffle some of our manpower to something else.

Speed of Sound 7th Sep 2019 13:43

Before we get too hard on Boeing over this incident, let’s not forget that the whole point of this kind of testing is to break stuff on the ground so that it doesn’t break in the air.

Aihkio 7th Sep 2019 13:54

Testing is done to catch design mistakes and for final verification. Still a door popping off/open during wing testing sounds a bit strange.

Bend alot 7th Sep 2019 14:31


Originally Posted by Speed of Sound (Post 10564166)
Before we get too hard on Boeing over this incident, let’s not forget that the whole point of this kind of testing is to break stuff on the ground so that it doesn’t break in the air.

Computer modelling and much over the years placed on it - is just not what it was expected to be.

DaveReidUK 7th Sep 2019 14:44


Originally Posted by Aihkio (Post 10564177)
Still a door popping off/open during wing testing sounds a bit strange.

A door popping off/open at any time sounds a bit strange ...

But possibly slightly less strange if it happens when the fuselage is pressurised to 150% of max diff, as was the case here.


Back at NH 7th Sep 2019 15:02

From the original 777 test programme showing the wing bend causing rippling of the fuselage.


lomapaseo 7th Sep 2019 15:18


Originally Posted by Back at NH (Post 10564221)
From the original 777 test programme showing the wing bend causing rippling of the fuselage.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ai2HmvAXcU0

I like the last comments "Which ever way you looked at it, the test was a success" then I though about the views out my window seat

NWA SLF 7th Sep 2019 16:00

This sounds exactly like the DC-10. Cargo door blow out in pressurization test, cabin floor collapsed. Analysis showed mechanics had not completed the latching process. Convair, subcontractor for the fuselage, performed a FMEA, said this is going to happen in production because the latching mechanism is a Rube Goldberg affair. MD altered the FMEA before submitting to the FAA. Result was first AA96 incident over Windsor, Ontario, in which the pilot was able to save the partially loaded plane. Next was TH 981 over Senlis, France, in which 346 people died. Lawsuits unveiled agreement between FAA chief and MD CEO not to issue an AD after the Windsor incident so 346 people were sentenced to death. Lawsuit uncovered the true Convair FMEA prior to MD doctoring it before submission. Resulted in the beginning of the end of MD. Hopefully Boeing remembers the lessons learned that resulted in them becoming the owner of a decimated McDonnell Douglas.

Smythe 7th Sep 2019 16:28

Sources told Harger that the door came flying off when Boeing was testing the maximum cabin pressure, whilst the aircraft was positioned in its test rig.

"The accident happened to what’s called the “static test airplane,” one of the two airplanes in any new jet program that are built for ground testing only and will never fly. It was during the final test that must be passed as part of the airplane’s certification by the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA).

On Friday, according to Boeing employees, caution tape was attached to all the entry doors and no one was allowed into the building."


The cabin should have been tested several times before now...this was the final test, not the first. It will be interesting to see what phase of the testing the failure happened, how close to final or ultimate load it got.

Blowing your stuff up on the final cert test in front of the FAA and probably a bunch of international certification regulators....damn.

DaveReidUK 7th Sep 2019 16:53


Originally Posted by NWA SLF (Post 10564258)
This sounds exactly like the DC-10.

Based on what little we know so far, it's highly unlikely that any of the factors that contributed to the AA or TK accidents were present in this latest event, despite the outwardly similar (npi) outcome.


Less Hair 7th Sep 2019 18:30

Didn't they flatten the frames inside the X-cabin in order to win some inches of cabin diameter for the 777X? And hasn't the floor structure material been modified compared to the -300ER? Methinks it's made of CFRP now. Might lead to different bending under extreme cabin pressure?


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