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cappt 15th Jul 2019 22:03

BA almost hits the wall!
 
Is this really necessary?
https://www.thesun.co.uk/wp-content/...4678.jpg?w=670

Slezy9 15th Jul 2019 22:06

I’ve never understood these low approaches. If the runway is that short then maybe we shouldn’t be taking airliners in there?

The AvgasDinosaur 15th Jul 2019 22:11


Originally Posted by cappt (Post 10519470)

There’s only three truths in any newspaper
j) The date
ii) The price
iii) The horoscopes
Everything else is either made up or distorted
In this instance selective use of a telephoto lens!!
I.M.H.O.
David

Airbubba 15th Jul 2019 22:21

Video of the Jungle Jet landing in the Sun article:

https://www.thesun.co.uk/travel/9509...plane-selfies/

cappt 15th Jul 2019 22:23


Originally Posted by The AvgasDinosaur (Post 10519474)

There’s only three truths in any newspaper
j) The date
ii) The price
iii) The horoscopes
Everything else is either made up or distorted
In this instance selective use of a telephoto lens!!
I.M.H.O.
David




Nope, it was way too low 1/2 mile out.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/travel/9509...plane-selfies/

pattern_is_full 15th Jul 2019 22:48


Originally Posted by The AvgasDinosaur (Post 10519474)
Everything else is either made up or distorted
In this instance selective use of a telephoto lens!!

Except that the distortion and perspective show that that is clearly a wide-angle lens. Probably iphone = ~28-35mm wide-angle on 35mm film.

:ouch:

Dan_Brown 15th Jul 2019 23:21

My message to the BA crew is this. Leave the Airshow type or stunt flying to the professionals. Do the job you're paid to do and don't risk the passengers in needless exhibitionism..if indeed, thats what they were upto. Eother that, or they did not have full control of the A/C. Don't know which is the most disconcerting..

Reminds me of the time AF took out the airport boundary fence on approach to St Maarten. Same message to them.

jurassicjockey 15th Jul 2019 23:42

As the aircraft, an Embraer E190, whizzed past hoards of people with

It's horde not hoard when you're referring to a group of people. Unless you're collecting a collection of people. End of my spelling rant

krismiler 16th Jul 2019 00:35

I’m assuming there’s no ILS on this runway ? Non precision approach followed by a visual segment with a short runway ahead soon sorts out the automation managers from the Pilots. Too many people rely on disconnecting the autopilot at the minima with the aircraft perfectly positioned for landing, drift angle and descent rate already set for them.

Taking away the guidance and asking some people to judge it by eye and seat of the pants seems to be asking too much. Definitely tea and biscuits with the fleet manager followed by a simulator session or two.

RickNRoll 16th Jul 2019 00:54


Originally Posted by pattern_is_full (Post 10519491)
Except that the distortion and perspective show that that is clearly a wide-angle lens. Probably iphone = ~28-35mm wide-angle on 35mm film.

:ouch:

The plane does look a bit like a banana. It still looks too low.

Oldshredder 16th Jul 2019 00:58

There’s only three truths in any newspaper j) The date ii) The price iii) The horosco
 
There's nothing humble about your opinion Avgas Dinosaur. If you have never tried to report and write a newspaper story you have no right to criticize. If you ask three witnesses to a traffic accident you will get three different versions. A reporter's job is to try to figure out the truth from those different versions and then write it in an interesting fashion so the average reader with a 6th grade education can understand. I write as someone who was a reporter for 10+ years and an editor for 33 years covering everything from traffic accidents to murders to U.S. Presidential elections to finance and investments. Reporters have to have some knowledge about many topics, but rely on experts for detailed information, and they try hard to convey that information accurately. There good reporters and poor reporters, just as I suspect there are good pilots and poor pilots, and good editors and poor editors, but most are trying to do a job that is far more difficult than it appears to the best of their ability.

Chu Chu 16th Jul 2019 01:06

The shadow appears almost directly beneath the plane -- shifted forward a small fraction of the fuselage length. Judging by the other shadows in the picture, that means its pretty low. Assuming no Photoshop, of course.

fdr 16th Jul 2019 01:43

That is low throughout, and touchdown occurs at the threshold markings, before the numbers.

Winemaker 16th Jul 2019 01:53

I really don't think this is a Photoshop job as there are three different video views of the same landing and they all coordinate as to the people on the wall. Pretty low, another two feet and some heads would be missing.

WingNut60 16th Jul 2019 02:01


Originally Posted by Winemaker (Post 10519559)
I really don't think this is a Photoshop job as there are three different video views of the same landing and they all coordinate as to the people on the wall. Pretty low, another two feet and some heads would be missing.

Two tyre diameters above the head of the lady in the green pants. Three diameters above the Armco barrier.

The wire mesh security fence appears to be in a ditch and less than 2 metres high

FlightDetent 16th Jul 2019 03:32

Too low, too close.

I fell sorry for the guy because if you go wrong for the first time it is hard to see how far you'd actually trespassed.

Hence the reason some on this forum advocate there's no such thing as a short landing technique. Learn to make your normal landing not long, and then for all accounts do operate on the low and tight side of the margin band.

That way you keep a room for errors, those guys did not. Thankfully it bit only them, not the passengers or the airframe.

Wrong intentions, and even the masterful get caught: https://www.military.com/video/milit.../1913142753001

Ollie Onion 16th Jul 2019 04:38

That is seriously low on profile in all of the videos, not far off a smoking wreck at the end. Ironically a low flat approach like his probably lengthens your landing distance.

Yaw String 16th Jul 2019 05:35

Hahahah.."Telephoto lens".."Distortion"...WALOB!
Anybody who has operated into jungle strips knows what is going on here!
Was the pitch attitude photoshopped too!!!!
Btw,what flavour are the BA biscuits,that come with the tea!

Weapons Grade 16th Jul 2019 06:19

Bad tasting biscuits
 

Originally Posted by Yaw String (Post 10519623)
Hahahah.."Telephoto lens".."Distortion"...WALOB!
Anybody who has operated into jungle strips knows what is going on here!
Was the pitch attitude photoshopped too!!!!
Btw,what flavour are the BA biscuits,that come with the tea!

Wouldn't matter as I am sure there will be a crappy taste left in the mouth after the cuppa.

Bearcat 16th Jul 2019 06:57

Yes that’s a tea and biscuits landing.


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