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Vegas-bound stag party who abused crew and exposed themselves on plane, jailed
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a8944431.html Appropriate sentences? A drunken stag party who exposed themselves to passengers, fought and threw bottles and water across the cabin of a flight bound for Las Vegas, have been jailed. Construction boss Michael Ward, 33, and three of his friends caused havoc on the flight from Manchester were warned numerous times by cabin crew, who refused to serve them, a court heard. But they carried on drinking large amounts of their own duty-free alcohol and smoking e-cigarettes on 24 March last year. The crew warned them that the flight would be diverted if their behaviour continued as they were causing “considerable distress” to those around them, Manchester Crown Court heard. But Ward told them: “You can’t tell me what to do. You are lower down the food chain from me. I am a 40K a year a builder. You are just an air hostess.” As the men continued their intimidating behaviour, swearing and shouting at both staff and passengers, the captain decided it was no longer safe to continue the flight and diverted it to Winnipeg, in Canada. As a result, the aircraft had to dump 10,000 gallons of fuel to land safely. Once they touched down in Canada, the four were arrested by the Royal Canadian Mounted Police. Ward, Craig Hopwood, 35, and Scott Capper, all from Oldham, pleaded guilty to affray and being drunk on an aircraft an earlier hearing. Daniel Howarth, 35, also of Oldham, pleaded guilty to section 4 public disorder and being drunk on an aircraft. Ward, Hopwood and Capper were jailed for two years, while Howarth was locked up for one year and seven months. Detective Constable Brad Howarth, of Greater Manchester Police’s airport team, said: “The actions of these four men were appalling. “Their behaviour was intimidating and frightening, for both the passengers unfortunate enough to be sitting near them, as well as the crew who made every possible attempt to reason with them as the flight continued. The group’s aggressive actions had no bounds, showing absolutely no consideration for the many children and families on board that had to endure their grossly unacceptable and offensive language and behaviour. He added: “The cabin crew and captain, whilst carrying out their duties on a full aircraft, had to deal with an intimidating and disgracefully behaved group of men. Today, the drunken and loutish behaviour of these four men has resulted in a jail sentence; and I hope that this sends a clear message- anyone who thinks about acting the same on an aircraft will be met with the firmest police response upon their return to Manchester.” |
Should have been required to pay compensation as well
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Appropriate: It will take these guys at least 2 years to grow up. And compensation for damages should go without saying.
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So that is what, $50,000 bucks worth of fuel dumped? Not to mention the fuel used in takeoff and landing, plus crew wages and perhaps a landing fee. They are going to have to make a lot of license plates...
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It begs the question why did the ground staff allow these characters to board in the first place if they were so drunk?
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Yes it does beg the question. However Manchester ( and other airports in UK ) sell booze 24 hrs a day. And are therefore ( actions of these okey d@ckheads higher up the food chain apart) partly culpable. |
Well, 2 years will mean 1 year which is better than the early days of air rage prosecutions when things like 4 months were the norm. Is there an argument for ceiling cams in each cabin? Although every phone on the plane will come out as soon as anything happens.... I have always thought that duty free on arrival makes much more sense. It would prevent these clowns from dipping into their own supply, save weight, so fuel, less “blow up” stuff on board, etc. And based on recent events, less stuff for them to try and take down a slide. https://cimg2.ibsrv.net/gimg/pprune....a7f3bb675.jpeg I did an ORD once with a drunk guy, cops on arrival, cuffs, etc. He was 0.4!!! Not 0.04, but 0.4 which is about when you die. The Chicago cops were mystified that they could even walk him off the plane. He wasn’t violent, just went wee on someone thinking he was in the lav. Stupid maybe should get 4 months. Aggressive and/or violent should be at least a year. These maybe would do well with 2 years meaning 2 years. |
I wonder if the bride to be has realised what she might have been marrying. Denying boarding to people who are or appear to be drunk opens a legal minefield for staff and the airline. |
Originally Posted by Globocnik
(Post 10486746)
Yes it does beg the question. However Manchester ( and other airports in UK ) sell booze 24 hrs a day. And are therefore ( actions of these okey d@ckheads higher up the food chain apart) partly culpable. |
Originally Posted by Gove N.T.
(Post 10486773)
Denying boarding to people who are or appear to be drunk opens a legal minefield for staff and the airline. In most/many jurisdictions it is an offence to be drunk on board an aircraft. I’ve certainly never encountered this “legal minefield” and I’ve been involved in managing a few offloads/denial of boarding due to it being obvious somebody was somewhat the worse for wear. |
some ground staff will board ANYthing, I had the mob in OMAA decade or so back, try to board a wheelchair passenger who was suffering from rigor mortis....yah he was dead, and was already cold to the touch
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Is there any evidence in the UK of contract ground handling staff denying boarding to anyone under suspicion of intoxication or antisocial behaviour? They seem very good at tagging laptop and handbags to be put under the seat while letting outsized looking bags reach the cabin so the crew can argue with the pax onboard when there's no room in the overhead bins etc. I know what the guidance was for unruly or disruptive behaviour at the gate when my airline employed our own check-in/gate staff but I imagine there may be more caution and restraint exercised by contract staff these days. I may be completely wrong but I do sense a lack of engagement from most at UK (and other) airports.
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giving it the barry big bollocks with 40K a year. nice one.
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Hoe does mounted police get onboard an aircraft? ;)
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Had a bunch of drunk Swedes on a stag party to LAS once, causing general rudeness, demanding more booze because they paid for upgrade, trying to vape etc. The lead told them last chance or they'll be meet by cops and you'll spend your weekend in Las Vegas locked up. They finally fell asleep and when awoken on arrival apologized and went on their way. Walking out of the airport the groom ran up to us and explained he couldn't find his passport! Karma? Sorry man, if you hurry back to the gate you might still find the gate agent who can search the plane for it, good luck jerk.
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Knowingly accepting drunken passengers on your plane is potentially putting all the other pax lives at risk in case of evacuation. You,as captain,have final responsibility on whether to accept them.I take a very dim view,on this subject! Its fair to say,I do work for a booze free airline,which helps... |
We at a Northern UK friendly airline deny carriage on a regular basis, this is well managed at our own handling bases prior to the passengers even getting to the aeroplane. Odd ones slip through the net, it’s inevitable as booze takes a while to get into your system. You might have just downed a load of spirits as you pass the gate agent and be perfectly fine, 1/2 an hour later by the time everybody else has boarded and you are getting under way that alcohol has go into your system and you are now drunk. As for the question - I think 2 years is fine, but they should be pursued by the airline for the costs incurred, again this is something that the Friendly Northern Airline actively does. |
Just dropping them off in Winnipeg would be punishment enough for most people, even to the point of being considered cruel and unusual punishment.
The sentences are entirely appropriate. Compensation would also be entirely appropriate. |
Sounds like the sort of drink-fuelled anti-social behaviour that bedevils public spaces throughout the UK. It seems to be a peculiarly British problem - comparatively few people from other European countries go out with the specific intention of getting p*ssed (to use the local vernacular). Transport operators (not just airlines but train operators too) should take a much tougher line, and be given due backing by police and the courts. 'Just having a good time' doesn't cut it, as excuses go.
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That should've been a subject to discuss at Monsieur de Juniac's recent IATA conference. Stories like that appear at least weekly. How long and how severe an accident will it take for all airlines to ban alcohol onboard? What are they afraid of? That drunk idiots won't fly their airline? That's a big loss?
They forbade smoking on planes. Has anyone ever seen a smoker start "exposing" himself or harrassing passengers after he had a full pack of Marlboro? Yet, the substance that is KNOWN to cause aggressive behavior is still openly and legally sold or even served free onboard an aircraft in all tastes and flavors. |
Originally Posted by pants on fire...
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Just dropping them off in Winnipeg would be punishment enough for most people, even to the point of being considered cruel and unusual punishment.
The sentences are entirely appropriate. Compensation would also be entirely appropriate. |
Originally Posted by procede
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Hoe does mounted police get onboard an aircraft? ;)
They're very well trained, those horses, they can climb air-stairs you know... |
Originally Posted by bunk exceeder
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And hopefully the Mounties gave them a good kicking. |
it wouldn't be that difficult for an airline to write into their contract with their ground handling agents that said agent will meet all costs caused by passengers being drunk/disruptive, and that the agent can have the joy of recovering this money from the passenger! Should concentrate minds somewhat...
G |
Frankly no, 2 years inside isn’t enough. Tack on a lifetime flying ban & then it’d get my seal of approval. |
How did they end up in Manchester Crown Court when they were arrested in Winnipeg? I though these cases were normally prosecuted in the jurisdiction where the aircraft lands.
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Good old Manchester.
My daughter who was 17 at the time told me she was given a free shot of Vodka at Manchester at 6am earlier this year and they offered my lad who was only 15 one as well then realised that he was perhaps not 18 yet but asked him if he was old enough. They will do anything to get you in the bar. I have seen plenty falling out of minibuses all ready drunk when they turn up outside the Terminal. Just part and parcel of a big section of UK society now days. A chap I know is a paramedic, he hates Friday and Saturday nights as most of his calls are to very drunk people some of whom like to fight the medics who are trying to help them. 2 years in Prison. Happy days, let hope it gets plenty of coverage in the UK national press |
Originally Posted by India Four Two
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How did they end up in Manchester Crown Court when they were arrested in Winnipeg? I though these cases were normally prosecuted in the jurisdiction where the aircraft lands.
So it would make sense to be detained by the authorities in the country where they landed, and subsequently extradited for prosecution. |
The Bride...
I hope she went on with the wedding and answered the ultimate question with : NO!
Not fit for breeding. Manchester , what can I say, not my favorite destination. I deleted my further comment. |
marconiphone
Flying for a large european airline I would not be quite so fast to blame just the British for drunken behaviour on aircraft, I have had problems with drunken passengers from most nations. Largley the other nationals are embarrassed by the behaviour and say little about is, the British recognise the problem and the British police take action in court and so the problem is not swept under the carpet. |
Compensation should most certainly be on the cards. Why should this cost the airline anything?
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classic brit hooligans, not only for football matches anymore...
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That should've been a subject to discuss at Monsieur de Juniac's recent IATA conference |
Originally Posted by Reverserbucket
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IATA are apparently opposed to the restriction of alcohol sales in airports and in the UK, .
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Originally Posted by Planemike
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Errrrrr.......why ?????
If the airport operator makes less from its pub and restaurant franchises, it will make up the revenue by increasing landing and passenger charges for airlines. |
Dave,
In a recent article in the SF Chronicle, it was stated that SFO makes more money on pickup and dropoff charges from ride-share companies than the combined revenue from food, beverage, and other sales. $39 million from 2014 on. |
Originally Posted by sb_sfo
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In a recent article in the SF Chronicle, it was stated that SFO makes more money on pickup and dropoff charges from ride-share companies than the combined revenue from food, beverage, and other sales. $39 million from 2014 on.
Doubtless IATA would be concerned if there was a risk of airports losing revenue from any source, if it meant that its members would be squeezed to make up the deficit. |
Appropriate sentences? |
Surely someone who behaves like that on a plane will have shown signs of that sort of behaviour before - I imagine the bride admires him for his manly ways. And the airline should definitely go after him for the full cost of the diversion - his 40K a year might not look so good.
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I'm just a bit curious here, but does anyone know what type of aircraft was involved in this incident? The great circle distance from Manchester, U.K. to Las Vegas, U.S.A., is roughly 5100 statute miles, and the distance from Manchester, U.K. to Winnipeg, Canada is roughly 3800 miles, or around 3/4 of the way from Manchester to Las Vegas. I would think that a transport category aircraft, having completed 75% of its journey would have burned off more than enough fuel so as to be under its maximum landing weight, thus making it unnecessary to dump fuel for landing. Or could the reportage be incorrect? Or could my guesstimate figuring be incorrect (more likely)?
Cheers, Grog |
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