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DroneDog 22nd May 2019 19:18
Drone avoidance
 
DJI the king of drone sales, a major manufacturer has just announced their new drones will adopt ADS-B (aircraft avoidance system) on its heavier drones.
DJI seems to be very aggressive in safety matters rumours rumoured to be killing off one of their best sellers the Phantom as it's over 250g in weight.

the_stranger 23rd May 2019 07:31
With the increasing incidents and sightings of drones at or near airports, it's only a matter of time before regulations regarding registration, trackability and warming systems are imposed/increased.

DJI is smart to stay ahead of the pack by implementing it allready and not waiting for official word, risking a ban on drones not equipes with ads.

Tasyery 23rd May 2019 07:43
Originally Posted by the_stranger (Post 10477682)
DJI is smart to stay ahead of the pack by implementing it allready and not waiting for official word, risking a ban on drones not equipes with ads.
It's a strategy.

421dog 23rd May 2019 07:46
Originally Posted by the_stranger (Post 10477682)
With the increasing incidents and sightings of drones at or near airports, it's only a matter of time before regulations regarding registration, trackability and warming systems are imposed/increased.

DJI is smart to stay ahead of the pack by implementing it allready and not waiting for official word, risking a ban on drones not equipes with ads.
So if they can do this on a $1.5k drone, does that mean that it will soon cost less than $10k for the pensioner airport rats to equip their C120s with ADS-B out in order to meet the mandate?

Surlybonds 23rd May 2019 13:46
It may not matter, if this is true:

US warning against the use of Chinese-made consumer drones.

Can't post a link, sorry

Longtimer 23rd May 2019 18:38
here is the link
 
Originally Posted by Surlybonds (Post 10477952)
It may not matter, if this is true:

US warning against the use of Chinese-made consumer drones.

Can't post a link, sorry
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-48352271

Surlybonds 23rd May 2019 18:41
Thanks Longtimer

theFirstDave 24th May 2019 13:58
Originally Posted by DroneDog (Post 10477382)
... rumoured to be killing off one of their best sellers the Phantom as it's over 250g in weight.
While there is not currently a Phantom 5 planned for release DJI has affirmed that the Phantom 4 series will continue. With the exception of the Tello (80g) all of their drones are over 250g. Even the Spark clocks in at 300g.

As for ADS-B out, sure it's expensive and that's why only the professional line will have it. As a side note, my 107.29 daylight operations waiver forbids me from having ADS-B.

Sailvi767 25th May 2019 12:04
Originally Posted by 421dog (Post 10477691)


So if they can do this on a $1.5k drone, does that mean that it will soon cost less than $10k for the pensioner airport rats to equip their C120s with ADS-B out in order to meet the mandate?
There is already a under 2000 dollar ADSB out solution that can be installed in 30 minutes.

bill fly 25th Jun 2019 17:24
The Iranians have a way with unwanted drones...
Beeb reporting that it was at 22,000 when shot. Must have been on the way up or the way down, or getting a better shot?

ATC Watcher 26th Jun 2019 03:23
The professional heavy drones meant here are not the problem , the operators want to protect their investment and be safe as much as we do. The real danger comes from the guy wanting to do harm, or just take videos around aircraft in flight. This guy is likely to modify its drone to avoid detection or even built his own platform using of the shelf technology.

kiwi grey 26th Jun 2019 03:29
If the BBC is correct, then IMHO it was probably a deliberate provocation - "we'll fly as low and slow as we like, and wherever we choose, and we dare you to try to do anything about it."
Those birds usually float around at about FL600 probably out of reach of anything the Iranians have, and at that height they can afford to stay well on the Omani side of the strait and get nowhere near 'International Waters'

bill fly 26th Jun 2019 03:57
Originally Posted by ATC Watcher (Post 10503029)
The professional heavy drones meant here are not the problem ,
Well since they are covert, they may well be a problem. The best that the “operator” can do is issue these vague blanket warnings to civilian air traffic.
A secret drone can be just as much a problem in or close to civilian airspace as a private drone on approach to an airport.
The height this thing was reportedly at and the FLs it may have traversed to get there should have a few people thinking.

ATC Watcher 26th Jun 2019 10:40
Originally Posted by kiwi grey (Post 10503031)
If the BBC is correct, then IMHO it was probably a deliberate provocation - "we'll fly as low and slow as we like, and wherever we choose, and we dare you to try to do anything about it."
Those birds usually float around at about FL600 probably out of reach of anything the Iranians have, and at that height they can afford to stay well on the Omani side of the strait and get nowhere near 'International Waters'
I had the exact same feeling . This reminds me of Korean 007 not really deliberate but let's see what happens to test the detection capabilities of the other side and use it politically if it goes bad.

Ian W 26th Jun 2019 12:05
Originally Posted by Sailvi767 (Post 10479275)
Originally Posted by 421dog https://www.pprune.org/images/buttons/viewpost.gif
So if they can do this on a $1.5k drone, does that mean that it will soon cost less than $10k for the pensioner airport rats to equip their C120s with ADS-B out in order to meet the mandate?
There is already a under 2000 dollar ADSB out solution that can be installed in 30 minutes.
The problem is that ADS-B is already approaching saturation. If the numbers of sUAS being registered were to equip with ADS-B then they could completely jam the frequency. There are far better ways to obtain the position of small UAS than using broadcast systems based on World War 2 concepts for IFF. Unfortunately. it is being done that way 'because it is the way they've always done it.'

duncan_g 30th Jun 2019 04:29
Originally Posted by 421dog (Post 10477691)
So if they can do this on a $1.5k drone, does that mean that it will soon cost less than $10k for the pensioner airport rats to equip their C120s with ADS-B out in order to meet the mandate?

Originally Posted by Ian W (Post 10503276)
The problem is that ADS-B is already approaching saturation. If the numbers of sUAS being registered were to equip with ADS-B then they could completely jam the frequency. There are far better ways to obtain the position of small UAS than using broadcast systems based on World War 2 concepts for IFF. Unfortunately. it is being done that way 'because it is the way they've always done it.'
As far as I can tell, DJI has only announced ADS-B IN (receive), not ADS-B OUT. Source: https://www.dji.com/au/newsroom/news...onsumer-drones

Maoraigh1 30th Jun 2019 20:38
"the pensioner airport rats to equip their C120s with ADS-B"
I'm one, in Easaland, for several years transponding Mode S. Would be willing to add ADS-B out if mandated.
Hoping the drone technology will be sold to non-certificated aircraft for ADS-B in, at an affordable cost.
PS NOT C120. Both syndicate aircraft are EU.


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