Wikiposts
Search
Rumours & News Reporting Points that may affect our jobs or lives as professional pilots. Also, items that may be of interest to professional pilots.

Drone avoidance

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 22nd May 2019, 19:18
  #1 (permalink)  
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Jan 2016
Location: Europe
Posts: 120
Received 25 Likes on 12 Posts
Drone avoidance

DJI the king of drone sales, a major manufacturer has just announced their new drones will adopt ADS-B (aircraft avoidance system) on its heavier drones.
DJI seems to be very aggressive in safety matters rumours rumoured to be killing off one of their best sellers the Phantom as it's over 250g in weight.

Last edited by DroneDog; 22nd May 2019 at 19:36.
DroneDog is offline  
Old 23rd May 2019, 07:31
  #2 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2007
Location: malta
Posts: 201
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
With the increasing incidents and sightings of drones at or near airports, it's only a matter of time before regulations regarding registration, trackability and warming systems are imposed/increased.

DJI is smart to stay ahead of the pack by implementing it allready and not waiting for official word, risking a ban on drones not equipes with ads.
the_stranger is offline  
Old 23rd May 2019, 07:43
  #3 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2019
Location: Korea
Posts: 8
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by the_stranger
DJI is smart to stay ahead of the pack by implementing it allready and not waiting for official word, risking a ban on drones not equipes with ads.
It's a strategy.
Tasyery is offline  
Old 23rd May 2019, 07:46
  #4 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: USA
Age: 60
Posts: 406
Received 31 Likes on 22 Posts
Originally Posted by the_stranger
With the increasing incidents and sightings of drones at or near airports, it's only a matter of time before regulations regarding registration, trackability and warming systems are imposed/increased.

DJI is smart to stay ahead of the pack by implementing it allready and not waiting for official word, risking a ban on drones not equipes with ads.
So if they can do this on a $1.5k drone, does that mean that it will soon cost less than $10k for the pensioner airport rats to equip their C120s with ADS-B out in order to meet the mandate?
421dog is offline  
Old 23rd May 2019, 13:46
  #5 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2019
Location: Earth
Posts: 16
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
It may not matter, if this is true:

US warning against the use of Chinese-made consumer drones.

Can't post a link, sorry
Surlybonds is offline  
Old 23rd May 2019, 18:38
  #6 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Nov 2000
Location: Canada
Posts: 603
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
here is the link

Originally Posted by Surlybonds
It may not matter, if this is true:

US warning against the use of Chinese-made consumer drones.

Can't post a link, sorry
https://www.bbc.com/news/technology-48352271

Longtimer is offline  
Old 23rd May 2019, 18:41
  #7 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Apr 2019
Location: Earth
Posts: 16
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Thanks Longtimer
Surlybonds is offline  
Old 24th May 2019, 13:58
  #8 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Sep 2016
Location: Rochester,NY or SoCal
Posts: 21
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by DroneDog
... rumoured to be killing off one of their best sellers the Phantom as it's over 250g in weight.
While there is not currently a Phantom 5 planned for release DJI has affirmed that the Phantom 4 series will continue. With the exception of the Tello (80g) all of their drones are over 250g. Even the Spark clocks in at 300g.

As for ADS-B out, sure it's expensive and that's why only the professional line will have it. As a side note, my 107.29 daylight operations waiver forbids me from having ADS-B.

theFirstDave is offline  
Old 25th May 2019, 12:04
  #9 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2013
Location: US
Age: 66
Posts: 598
Likes: 0
Received 8 Likes on 4 Posts
Originally Posted by 421dog


So if they can do this on a $1.5k drone, does that mean that it will soon cost less than $10k for the pensioner airport rats to equip their C120s with ADS-B out in order to meet the mandate?
There is already a under 2000 dollar ADSB out solution that can be installed in 30 minutes.
Sailvi767 is offline  
Old 25th Jun 2019, 17:24
  #10 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: The woods
Posts: 5
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 2 Posts
The Iranians have a way with unwanted drones...
Beeb reporting that it was at 22,000 when shot. Must have been on the way up or the way down, or getting a better shot?
bill fly is offline  
Old 26th Jun 2019, 03:23
  #11 (permalink)  
Pegase Driver
 
Join Date: May 1997
Location: Europe
Age: 74
Posts: 3,682
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
The professional heavy drones meant here are not the problem , the operators want to protect their investment and be safe as much as we do. The real danger comes from the guy wanting to do harm, or just take videos around aircraft in flight. This guy is likely to modify its drone to avoid detection or even built his own platform using of the shelf technology.
ATC Watcher is offline  
Old 26th Jun 2019, 03:29
  #12 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Whanganui, NZ
Posts: 278
Received 5 Likes on 4 Posts
If the BBC is correct, then IMHO it was probably a deliberate provocation - "we'll fly as low and slow as we like, and wherever we choose, and we dare you to try to do anything about it."
Those birds usually float around at about FL600 probably out of reach of anything the Iranians have, and at that height they can afford to stay well on the Omani side of the strait and get nowhere near 'International Waters'
kiwi grey is offline  
Old 26th Jun 2019, 03:57
  #13 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Feb 2015
Location: The woods
Posts: 5
Likes: 0
Received 3 Likes on 2 Posts
Originally Posted by ATC Watcher
The professional heavy drones meant here are not the problem ,
Well since they are covert, they may well be a problem. The best that the “operator” can do is issue these vague blanket warnings to civilian air traffic.
A secret drone can be just as much a problem in or close to civilian airspace as a private drone on approach to an airport.
The height this thing was reportedly at and the FLs it may have traversed to get there should have a few people thinking.
bill fly is offline  
Old 26th Jun 2019, 10:40
  #14 (permalink)  
Pegase Driver
 
Join Date: May 1997
Location: Europe
Age: 74
Posts: 3,682
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by kiwi grey
If the BBC is correct, then IMHO it was probably a deliberate provocation - "we'll fly as low and slow as we like, and wherever we choose, and we dare you to try to do anything about it."
Those birds usually float around at about FL600 probably out of reach of anything the Iranians have, and at that height they can afford to stay well on the Omani side of the strait and get nowhere near 'International Waters'
I had the exact same feeling . This reminds me of Korean 007 not really deliberate but let's see what happens to test the detection capabilities of the other side and use it politically if it goes bad.
ATC Watcher is offline  
Old 26th Jun 2019, 12:05
  #15 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Dec 2006
Location: Florida and wherever my laptop is
Posts: 1,350
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Sailvi767
Originally Posted by 421dog
So if they can do this on a $1.5k drone, does that mean that it will soon cost less than $10k for the pensioner airport rats to equip their C120s with ADS-B out in order to meet the mandate?
There is already a under 2000 dollar ADSB out solution that can be installed in 30 minutes.
The problem is that ADS-B is already approaching saturation. If the numbers of sUAS being registered were to equip with ADS-B then they could completely jam the frequency. There are far better ways to obtain the position of small UAS than using broadcast systems based on World War 2 concepts for IFF. Unfortunately. it is being done that way 'because it is the way they've always done it.'


Ian W is offline  
Old 30th Jun 2019, 04:29
  #16 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Blue Yonder
Posts: 47
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Originally Posted by 421dog
So if they can do this on a $1.5k drone, does that mean that it will soon cost less than $10k for the pensioner airport rats to equip their C120s with ADS-B out in order to meet the mandate?

Originally Posted by Ian W
The problem is that ADS-B is already approaching saturation. If the numbers of sUAS being registered were to equip with ADS-B then they could completely jam the frequency. There are far better ways to obtain the position of small UAS than using broadcast systems based on World War 2 concepts for IFF. Unfortunately. it is being done that way 'because it is the way they've always done it.'
As far as I can tell, DJI has only announced ADS-B IN (receive), not ADS-B OUT. Source: https://www.dji.com/au/newsroom/news...onsumer-drones

Last edited by duncan_g; 30th Jun 2019 at 04:31. Reason: Added quote
duncan_g is offline  
Old 30th Jun 2019, 20:38
  #17 (permalink)  
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Moray,Scotland,U.K.
Posts: 1,777
Received 5 Likes on 5 Posts
"the pensioner airport rats to equip their C120s with ADS-B"
I'm one, in Easaland, for several years transponding Mode S. Would be willing to add ADS-B out if mandated.
Hoping the drone technology will be sold to non-certificated aircraft for ADS-B in, at an affordable cost.
PS NOT C120. Both syndicate aircraft are EU.
Maoraigh1 is offline  

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.