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Condor squawks 7700 mid Atlantic
FR24 showingCondor flight DE 2116 Frankfurt to Mexico squawked 7700 mid-Atlantic and staggered back to Shannon. No furthe info available as at 21.20 GMT.
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A330, operated by Thomas Cook UK.
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"staggered back" or simply diverted?
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Wouldn't sell as many newspapers. :O
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Apparently smoke in the flightdeck. Incident: Thomas Cook A332 over Atlantic on Feb 6th 2019, smoke in cockpit |
Root cause?
Any aviation chaps out there have any ideas on what could cause enough smoke to convince the pilot to go 7700 and yet not leave any trace of ignition or combustion after landing? One presumes that an experienced pilot can distinguish between particulate smoke and vapour condensation.
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Originally Posted by Flyingmole
(Post 10382639)
Any aviation chaps out there have any ideas on what could cause enough smoke to convince the pilot to go 7700 and yet not leave any trace of ignition or combustion after landing? One presumes that an experienced pilot can distinguish between particulate smoke and vapour condensation.
Smoke does not equal fire, but how do you know? Water vapor disappears 20 cm after it comes out of the vents and doesn’t smell. |
Originally Posted by Flyingmole
(Post 10382639)
Any aviation chaps out there have any ideas on what could cause enough smoke to convince the pilot to go 7700 and yet not leave any trace of ignition or combustion after landing?
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Originally Posted by Flyingmole
(Post 10382639)
Any aviation chaps out there have any ideas on what could cause enough smoke to convince the pilot to go 7700 and yet not leave any trace of ignition or combustion after landing? One presumes that an experienced pilot can distinguish between particulate smoke and vapour condensation.
As others have now pointed out actioning a “smoke ...checklist” doesn’t automatically mean the crew were dealing with clouds of visible combustion products that will leave traces all over the flight deck. |
Almost 900 miles out in the Atlantic - Then takes 2 hours to get back to SNN - not nice at all when you are smelling burning...120 Mins of ETOPS would be quite enough for me.
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What does it have to do with ETOPS? |
Originally Posted by rog747
(Post 10382678)
Almost 900 miles out in the Atlantic - Then takes 2 hours to get back to SNN - not nice at all when you are smelling burning...120 Mins of ETOPS would be quite enough for me.
And like above what has ETOPS got to do with it, that only comes in when there is need to shut down an engine. Ttfn |
Originally Posted by 763 jock
(Post 10382748)
What does it have to do with ETOPS? |
Etops brain Fart
Do please excuse me it was 6am |
ETOPS has plenty to do with it. If they weren't ETOPS they'd have been closer to a diversion and it would have taken much less time to get back to one.
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Originally Posted by meleagertoo
(Post 10383107)
ETOPS has plenty to do with it. If they weren't ETOPS they'd have been closer to a diversion and it would have taken much less time to get back to one.
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So for those of us who fly non-ETOPS across the Atlantic, what happens to us? :E
(Clue: there's no requirement for me to fly the non-ETOPS route or be anywhere near an airfield) |
Originally Posted by meleagertoo
(Post 10383107)
ETOPS has plenty to do with it. If they weren't ETOPS they'd have been closer to a diversion and it would have taken much less time to get back to one.
Are you suggesting that ETOPS is unsafe? |
I understood that ETOPs had become ERangeOPs, EROPs. Now applicable rules to all aircraft irrespective of number of engines.
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