RYR evac @ BCN...is this for real!!???
Oh my God...this guy filming here instead of helping is just filming, talkin, "joking" and promoting Vueling!!!??? What the hell!!???? :ugh: |
Yes, but it's actually a good video for cabin crew training to promote some discussion!
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where are the overwing pax?
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3 more videos here.
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In one of the Instagram clips it refers to the burning device as a portable charger. He says he put it out with water ...
Many lessons for crew in these clips. |
Have a look in this videos:
instagram.com/p/Bl5oF3tnGJ6/ [<<< nvm, this was already posted]
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Indeed TangoAlphad. Follow the link by HundredPercentPlease. They took me to Instagram and video of the device on fire. All nice and cheap. Like vaping devices on the market or online.
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There are quotes online from a passenger sitting in the front row who seems very proud of himself because ‘fortunately’ he opened the emergency door before the pilot had activated the slide.. |
Indeed, was this a command evac or not? The fire would have had to have been pretty bad to command a proper evacuation vs getting the stairs I would’ve thought. then again, the panic in the cabin may have been pretty high. |
Originally Posted by TangoAlphad
(Post 10211486)
I take it back. In those videos there is a fair number of absolute idiots with bags.
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Originally Posted by FIRESYSOK
(Post 10211458)
where are the overwing pax?
The flight was inbound to BCN from Bilbao and running late, the outbound leg having been diverted from Santander. |
Are those videos of the same evacuation? The first one (apart from the idiot "starring") is almost textbook, with only the one passenger towards the end with bags. The others show the usual chaos. Perhaps the first one is actually a training film?
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Originally Posted by Herod
(Post 10211688)
Are those videos of the same evacuation? The first one (apart from the idiot "starring") is almost textbook, with only the one passenger towards the end with bags. The others show the usual chaos. Perhaps the first one is actually a training film?
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I find it amazing a full blown evacuation because of this. The fire was out before anyone has actually moved away from the area. I wouldn't be surprised if the crew had not been able to get to the fire location to deal with it before panic had gone down the cabin and passengers had elected to evacuate themselves. Once the masses have decided the action they will take, the cabin crew would have been in it for the ride and simply had to manage the evacuation as it progressed. With regards to people carrying bags as they went and more unbelievably making videos, words fail me. Life is about social media and kudos these days. |
Agreed with BBJ-Captain, especially as the location of burning device is not known, thus it takes only one passenger screaming "FIRE" or alike for this situation to occur.
There are quotes online from a passenger sitting in the front row who seems very proud of himself because ‘fortunately’ he opened the emergency door before the pilot had activated the slide.. A lithium battery fire should extinguish easily with a Halon extinguisher + water extinguisher. In those videos there is a fair number of absolute idiots with bags. |
Originally Posted by Skyjob
(Post 10212223)
And nothing the crew can do to stop them, as making them give up luggage at exit only slows evacuation down and creates a pileup of items in forward galley...
Roybert |
Any charges for the extra event?
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Originally Posted by BBJ-Captain
(Post 10212204)
I wouldn't be surprised if the crew had not been able to get to the fire location to deal with it before panic had gone down the cabin and passengers had elected to evacuate themselves.
In the event of a cabin fire on the ground, getting as far away as possible from it seems eminently sensible to me. |
Originally Posted by DaveReidUK
(Post 10212283)
So if you drop your phone/charger and it bursts into flames at your feet, your advice is to stay put and wait for someone with a bucket of water or an extinguisher ?
In the event of a cabin fire on the ground, getting as far away as possible from it seems eminently sensible to me. Bksmithca |
Originally Posted by Bksmithca
(Post 10212379)
Dave, I don't believe that is what the captain was suggesting. I told to be that the masses trying to get out of the aircraft were blocking them from putting out the fire.
Bksmithca |
Apparently the initial flame was intense and reached the ceiling, with commensurate volumes of smoke, all of which is far in exccess of what you see in the video. Third hand accounts suggest the cabin crew had just started the emergency demonstration and were therefore not necessarily in a position to intervene before panic ensued and a pax started the evacuation.
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Originally Posted by Bksmithca
(Post 10212379)
Dave, I don't believe that is what the captain was suggesting. I told to be that the masses trying to get out of the aircraft were blocking them from putting out the fire.
The CC's primary function is to preserve life. If the aircraft goes up in flames once everyone has evacuated, so be it. |
"The stupidity of passengers amazes me."
You mean the stupidity of passengers actually paying money to travel in what is an inherently unsafe metal tube barrelling through the air? If they weren't stupid there wouldn't be any airlines |
A fine of £1000 per bag or a lifetime ban should do the trick..
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Originally Posted by TangoAlphad
(Post 10212269)
Then everyone's ticket prices go up. I get the angle but in the modern airline model it won't work.
I would get behind nothing bigger than a laptop case onboard and a 10-15kg bag in the hold for fairly cheap option though. A fine of £1000 per bag or a lifetime ban should do the trick. Only if pax booked in advance and provided no more than a certain amount of bags in total can a bag be taken into cabin. Do other airlines limit the exposure to cabin bags the same? |
Aren't you supposed to submerge the burning Lithium battery in a champagne bucket full of iced water..?
Nobody wants their holiday clothes ruined by lithium fumes. . |
I understand the instructions for such fires is pour any fluid on it, do not use ice, use whatever is at hand....drinks from the cart etc. It may be the cabin crew were scared to use these as they feared getting their pay docked.
While I can understand the people taking their handbags,,,,,money passport etc it is about time that those that take those big wheely suitcases are met on arrival and arrested for disobeying Flight Crew Instructions by taking them. |
None of you were there. If there is evidence of a fire I’d rather be outside and wrong than inside wishing I was outside. |
Originally Posted by roybert
(Post 10212261)
In my view the only way to stop passenger from taking there carry on is to ban bringing anything larger than a Ladies purse into in the cabin. The only way this will happen is if the regulators around the world put regulation in place stopping the airlines from collection baggage fees.
Additionally there is at least one on line blog/comment where following an evac/accident a customer had his hand luggage left behind returned - minus the valuable electronic item inside it. So as others have said before - passengers know all this and unless the a/c is actually disintegrating around them then they are going to collect their hand luggage: end of story. |
Rather than limiting baggage size/numbers (isn't that bad enough as it is) the answer to the evac baggage problem is surely to make remote-locking baggage bins mandatory and in the meantime publicise and prosecute everyone identifiable who carries bags off in an evac.
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Originally Posted by dsc810
(Post 10212751)
I suggest you also ask the insurance companies as they regard any valuables stored in the hold as opposed to hand baggage as not insured.
Additionally there is at least one on line blog/comment where following an evac/accident a customer had his hand luggage left behind returned - minus the valuable electronic item inside it. We have been there before with almost nothing allowed cabin baggage - in the early days following the liquid bomb plot in the UK. The result wasn't air travel becoming obviously safer, but it did become obviously more chaotic and unreliable and in some cases completely infeasible from a passenger point of view. Some classes of passengers (pro musicians, photographers, film crews) were effectively prevented from travelling by air altogether. Many pax lost valuables and got told they were liable for the loss due to following security instructions (and you're also liable for the loss of ticket if you don't follow security instructions...). Aside from the where-are-lithium-batteries-safest debate, any ban on laptops etc. risks seriously damaging the premium business market (Trump's limited ban hit shares of affected operators hard). There may be a pay grade at which the loss from not being able to work on a flight would make bizjet charter a cost effective alternative - far above any hourly rate I've ever charged but I wouldn't bet on the number of people at that level being zero. So as others have said before - passengers know all this and unless the a/c is actually disintegrating around them then they are going to collect their hand luggage: end of story. |
I'd like to know where the picture being painted of the high flying businessman slaving away at his laptop while in flight actually comes from.
I won't say that I've never seen it; I have. But it's as rare as ostrich teeth. There is no doubting that no one wants to pass care of their laptop to the guy who just broke the handle off my expensive, nearly-indestructible suitcase (yes, really; this morning). But actually using one productively in flight? I don't think so. After all, most of them can't use a laptop productively anywhere, let alone on an aeroplane. That's what lesser minions are for. |
Originally Posted by rudestuff
(Post 10212532)
A fine of £1000 per bag or a lifetime ban should do the trick..
What is the black object protruding from the slide, toward the top? The heel of a shoe that has punctured the slide? |
Originally Posted by scifi
(Post 10212629)
Aren't you supposed to submerge the burning Lithium battery in a champagne bucket full of iced water..?
Nobody wants their holiday clothes ruined by lithium fumes. . |
I notice that the rear left slide seems to be deployed, but don't see anyone sliding down it. Also the age-old problem: you (and other passengers) may be in imminent danger of death - but don't forget your hand baggage !
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The reason some nationalities need their laptop is not to actually work but to be able to both for their own tax reasons and those of their employed. In addition many laptops have access to the commercial interests of the company which can be worth squillions. Even if password protected, many employers simply wont allow the laptop out of sight. If the laptop were taken and data hacked it could close the company. So it wont happen
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Originally Posted by homonculus
(Post 10214369)
The reason some nationalities need their laptop is not to actually work but to be able to both for their own tax reasons and those of their employed. In addition many laptops have access to the commercial interests of the company which can be worth squillions. Even if password protected, many employers simply wont allow the laptop out of sight. If the laptop were taken and data hacked it could close the company. So it wont happen
Don't forget your laptop / personal belongings, even if those actions will cost human life, protect, protect and protect! How can someone not understand this? (If it was me who came to save you, I would take that laptop and throw into the flames!) |
Any company (worth squillions, no less) that is relying on the existence and security of a single laptop for its existence should be compelled to donate said squillions to the Wingnut P..ss Up campaign in recognition of their incompetence.
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Originally Posted by scifi
(Post 10212629)
Aren't you supposed to submerge the burning Lithium battery in a champagne bucket full of iced water..? ...
So I'd opt for two at five, one burnt, still have one. |
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