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mickjoebill 25th May 2018 14:33


Originally Posted by Cynical Sid (Post 10156307)
Wonder if they used a tub of Vaseline to ease it out.

Are you referring to something in the frame at the end of the above video?

mjb

sb_sfo 25th May 2018 15:25


Originally Posted by DaveReidUK (Post 10156451)
The photos appear to show he was being towed on to G91, which is the innermost stand in the 45° angle between International Pier G and the parking garage/International train station.

GE suggests there is approximately 120 feet between the curved yellow stand lead-in and the station piers at the closest point - half an A333's wingspan is 99 feet ...

You're right, Dave, and as he was about 20 feet off the lead-in line, the math works out just about right.

roybert 25th May 2018 18:21


Originally Posted by A4 (Post 10156387)
What about a temporary attachment? You (somehow!?) attach proximity transmitters to the wingtips / tail - simple strapon or clamp - and have the prox receiver in the tug. No need to retrofit at $xx,000,000, just a local kit to get used repeatedly on multiple aircraft.

You’re welcome........:p

A4

A4 Are you suggesting that the aircraft stop on the taxiway to have these clamped on sensor installed then taxi or tow to the terminal. Not a practical solution. Some one had the proper idea with a wing walker and eyes on task.

One Outsider 25th May 2018 18:30


Originally Posted by jetfour (Post 10155862)
My Ford has efficient proximity sensors! Ok, it will be more complex on an aircraft to tug situation - but surely not impossible. Commercial opportunity for someone!

Yes, because an aircraft is just like a car and at IKEA you can buy rubber thingies to put on the tip of things so you wont bump in to them.

MurphyWasRight 25th May 2018 20:15


Originally Posted by roybert (Post 10156797)
A4 Are you suggesting that the aircraft stop on the taxiway to have these clamped on sensor installed then taxi or tow to the terminal. Not a practical solution. Some one had the proper idea with a wing walker and eyes on task.

Although I have to agree that this 'should not happen' if people are paying attention the fact that they still do suggests that additional tech might be useful.

I don't believe additional sensors are needed, just think "ground ops collision avoidance" with each aircraft transmitting it's current (GPS assisted) speed, location and orientation.
A central computer could then issue alerts for AC to AC or AC to fixed obstacle proximity using a static map of the facility.
For towing tugs would also need to transmit/receive warnings.
The tug can probably determine (powered down) aircraft orientation using angle sensors at both ends of tow bar, that would still leave open someone entering incorrect AC type.

Of course unless every baggage cart and boarding ramp was active things could (and would) still go wrong.

DaveReidUK 25th May 2018 22:11


Originally Posted by MurphyWasRight (Post 10156866)
I don't believe additional sensors are needed, just think "ground ops collision avoidance" with each aircraft transmitting it's current (GPS assisted) speed, location and orientation.

Ironically, the aircraft in question would in fact have been doing exactly that.

visibility3miles 25th May 2018 22:21

bnt
Should the tow driver follow the pair of white lines painted on the ground in front of the airplane?!?

Maybe they're there for a reason...

BEagle 26th May 2018 07:44

Looking at the image from the car park, which shows the alignment of the towing vehicle pretty clearly, I'm wondering whether the driver / wing walkers understood the phenomenon of 'swept wing growth'?

When the VC10 entered RAF service, there were a lot of educational posters showing the hazards associated with towing swept wing aircraft....

Training?

RickNRoll 26th May 2018 08:12


Originally Posted by BEagle (Post 10157166)
...

Training?

How much training do these subcontractors of subcontractors get?

DaveReidUK 26th May 2018 09:09

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Originally Posted by visibility3miles (Post 10156948)
Should the tow driver follow the pair of white lines painted on the ground in front of the airplane?!?

Maybe they're there for a reason...

Yes, the white lines are there for a reason - they delineate the airside roadway that runs along the back of the Golf stands. Following those when towing an aircraft would have had an even worse outcome. :O

As a general rule, white lines are for landlubbers, yellow ones are for aircraft.

Here's G91, courtesy of GE:

bolthead 27th May 2018 03:55

Crikey! Going to need no. 1 man ( oops, or woman or in-between ) driving the tug to get a wide-body out of there unscathed.

Start Fore 27th May 2018 06:08

Or maybe someone who wasn't flipping burgers last week.

visibility3miles 28th May 2018 03:38

DavidReidUK

Thank you for the explanation.

I stand corrected.

c_coder 28th May 2018 08:36


Originally Posted by roybert (Post 10156797)
A4 Are you suggesting that the aircraft stop on the taxiway to have these clamped on sensor installed then taxi or tow to the terminal. Not a practical solution. Some one had the proper idea with a wing walker and eyes on task.


I thought possibly a semi autonomous quadcopter. It hovers 100 feet above the aircraft and acts as a remote camera platform for manoevours in tight spaces.

smilr 28th May 2018 08:54


Originally Posted by c_coder (Post 10158834)
I thought possibly a semi autonomous quadcopter. It hovers 100 feet above the aircraft and acts as a remote camera platform for manoevours in tight spaces.

Best perhaps to mount sensors or cameras directly to the buildings in question. No need to operate a drone or modify / add sensors to aircraft.

BAengineer 28th May 2018 12:56


Originally Posted by DaveReidUK (Post 10157234)

Here's G91, courtesy of GE:


That centreline track for the stand has to be the daftest one i have seen - not surprised that they have accidents. If you want to put in zigzag lines like that then best you restrict the stand to narrowbodies.

Chris2303 28th May 2018 16:33

I assume it has been moved?

If so, how did they do it?

DaveReidUK 28th May 2018 18:09


Originally Posted by Chris2303 (Post 10159163)
I assume it has been moved?

If so, how did they do it?

Carefully ? :O

Aircraft returned to Dublin on the day following the incident.

Pugilistic Animus 28th May 2018 23:12

Maybe winglets are a MEL Item

BAengineer 29th May 2018 14:27


Originally Posted by Pugilistic Animus (Post 10159345)
Maybe winglets are a MEL Item

It's a CDL item - you can have one removed and just tape up the holes.


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