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Suvarnabhumi 14th May 2018 02:16

A319 FO windshield blowout
 
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Sichuan Airlines flight 3U8633.... 14th May.

Chongqing to Lhasa.

FO windshield blowout at 9200m (30,100'), and looks like a severe FCU 1+2 failure also ! They diverted into Chengdu.

https://www.flightradar24.com/data/f...u8633#115e176d

The safety altitude around where it occurred is 22,100'. The crew will have been High Altitude Airport trained since destination was Lhasa, Tibet.

Thoughts with the crew and wish them a speedy recovery. Well done for a safe return.

pineteam 14th May 2018 04:14

That's impressive!! Poor guy! B-6419... Made in Tianjin....:E

Offchocks 14th May 2018 04:32

I was expecting to read about a cracked windscreen, but this incident would have been exciting! The only other time I have heard of a windscreen departing the aircraft was the BA BAC1-11, that is going back a few years ago now.

mrdeux 14th May 2018 04:51

Wow. Obviously a lot more to this story, but I'm impressed that they actually got it down ok.

Dan Winterland 14th May 2018 04:52

Good work! The QRH procedures would definitely not be applicable in this event. A good example of why skill and airmanship is still required, despite the best efforts of the industry to make them obsolete!

Volume 14th May 2018 06:41

Do I remember the Airbus design wrongly, or are the windshields "plug type" design, installed from the inside (contrary to the retainer design used for most other aircraft) ?
So does the windscreen has to fail completely to depart the aircraft ?

compressor stall 14th May 2018 06:46

At least CM2 wouldn’t have to cancel the master warning.

Dan Winterland 14th May 2018 06:47


So does the windscreen has to fail completely to depart the aircraft ?
Think it does. I've just seen a video of it cracking and arcing before the event, so this it looks as if this is what happened.

Suvarnabhumi 14th May 2018 07:34

Dan , you sure that video u saw is an A319 cockpit though ??? ;)


R6DXB 14th May 2018 07:47

they are not installed from inside but from outside.

ThreeThreeMike 14th May 2018 07:51

Wow. Those guys had their big britches on. Well done.

shimin 14th May 2018 07:55

In the Chengdu area and on the cruise level, the crew found the right windshield glass broken and then off, the emergency procedure is appilcated and finally retured Chengdu Shuangliu. All passengers and crew members are safe landing, orderly down the plane and be properly arranged. FO was injured by a waist sprain and facial scratches. A flight attendant sustained minor injuries during the descent.
Lhasa route is High-Plateau route, the first step is to emergency down to safety altitude of 24000 feet,and utill flying out of the area, the crew was then able to further down to 10000 feet. During this time, with the condition of the right window off, in the cockpit, temperature is minus dozens of degrees, the crew wear short-sleeved shirt. A lot of displays and controls failed to work.The whole process is quite thrilling and difficult to deal with.
The pilot in flying comes from the Air Force Second Air Academy as flight instructor. Psychological quality is very good, radio recordings sounded calm as normal. All flight crewmenbers are in hospital for further medical examination. Decompression may cause damage to the body, hope there will be no sequelae.

CISTRS 14th May 2018 08:19

Deepest respect to a professional crew.
Job well done.

stilton 14th May 2018 09:50



Very good work


And lucky they survived, curious to know the whole story

shimin 14th May 2018 11:54

Update: The co-pilot has flown out, the return is all manual and visual operations
As a pilot, Liu Shunjian thought of all kinds of unexpected accidents, but did not expect to encounter the accident of British Airways flight 5390 almost identical. June 10, 1990, during the flight, the cockpit windshield suddenly broken, the captain was suck out the window, the FO flew back to safe landing, creating a miracle in the history of aviation.
On the afternoon of May 14, hours later after the accident, one local news reporter contacted Captain Liu and got the exclusive interview as follows. (Please forgive me for my brief translation)
Reporter: Are you now good health?
Liu: Not feel obvious discomfort by now, my company will have me and others a comprehensive medical examination.
Reporter: I just interviewed some people in the industry, they said the landing be very difficult?
Liu: A total challenge, not the daily issue. The difficulty is the cockpit windshield burst, all of us met the great bodily harm. The loss of pressure, the sudden pressure changes caused a lot of damage to the eardrum. Temperatures dropped to around -40C, and extreme cold could cause frostbite in the human body. The control panel (FCU) was lifted and the noise was so loud that you can't hear anything. Most radio and equipment were in malfunctions, you can only do your job by manual and visual.
Reporter: In such a high altitude, oxygen also very thin?
Liu: Like the cabin, when the cockpit loses pressure, the oxygen mask will automatically fall off, hypoxia problem is not big issue. And the cockpit and cabin are sealed and insulated, so the loss of pressure and cooling in cockpit do not affect passengers.
Reporter: I noticed that the flight departure time is at 6:25, when and where is the time of the incident?
Liu: It should be 7 o ' clock, I didn't notice the exact time, the distance from Chengdu is about 100 km to 150 kilometers.
Reporter: What were the signs at the time of the incident?
Liu: There is no sign, the windshield burst suddenly, windshield bursting making a loud noise. As I looked up, the co-pilot had flown half, and half the body was hanging outside the window. Luckily, he fastened his seatbelt. The cockpit items all flew up, many of the equipment failed, the noise was so loud that the radio couldn't be heard. The whole plane vibrates so much you are unable to readout any instruments; the operation is so difficult.
Reporter: What kind of difficult?
Liu: Instantaneous loss of pressure and low temperature make people very uncomfortable, every action is very difficult. You know, the speed of the plane was eight hundred or nine hundred kilometers (per hour) and at that height. I'm going to give you a metaphor: if you're driving at 200 km per hour in the street of Harbin, what can you do with your hand out the window? (My words for you: winter in Harbin is the equivalent of Russia's Siberia)
Reporter: very difficult indeed. I heard a 7700 code issued?
Liu: I did it, equivalent to means "Now I need help", the control center and other flight crew in air can know it, know the approximate situation, what happened, I did this with the keyboard.
Reporter: In the situation of automation completely failed, including the FCU damaged, you can not know the flight data, how to determine the direction, course, return to the airport and so on?
Liu: Yes, completely manual operation, visually rely on my own to judge, many of the civil aviation is automatic operation, but this time the automatic equipment can’t help. I have flown this route over 100 times. I should say everything of flying here is familiar to me.
Reporter: Did you pay attention to your physical condition while you were trying to save the plane and passengers?
Liu: At that time, I just want to be able to operate the aircraft safely, unable to pay attention to my and other’s physical condition. In order to avoid further damage to my colleague in the cockpit and passengers, the first is to reduce the speed, and then try to make the emergency height reduction. The noise was great, automatic equipment can’t help. Completely by hand and visual, rely on perseverance to grasp the stick to complete the return and safe landing. My body should have been a very big wobble.
Reporter: How much time did it take from the accident to the landing?
Liu: About more than 20 minutes.
Reporter: What's the weather like this morning? Did it affect the emergency landing?
Liu: The weather helped a lot. There was almost no cloud this morning, and the visibility was very good, and if it was accompanied by rain or bad weather, the consequences would be unpredictable.
Reporter: Insiders say when learning to fly there will be a simulated noise, low-temperature and other processes?
Liu: In the primary trainer stage, there will be an extreme situation simulation training. But neither height nor speed can be as fast as this one.
Reporter: There are rumors on the internet during the landing, you burst the tires.
Liu: No. The aircraft is overweight and the thrust reverser is not working, it is longer than the normal taxing distance, the tire rubs longer, causes the temperature too high, and then the tire automatically deflated--this is a protection, not a flat tire.
Reporter: Can you tell me something about your experience?
Liu: I had been flying in military school before. I work in Sichuan Airlines since 2006.
Reporter: Netizens say your experience is more like that of Captain Sully?
Liu: I respect Captain Sully. But this time it was more close to the accident of the British Airways.
Reporter: Is the BA flight 5390? Do you have special attention to movies or documentaries of aviation?
Liu: Yes. We usually pay attention to flight accidents, from the professional point of view, consider the cause of the accident, how they operate,to make some preparations.
Reporter: Have you ever thought that you would encounter this situation?
Liu: I have been preparing every day, from just graduated to now have flown for decades. I do some my own preparation. Who knows what happen in the next? My job, as a pilot, is going ready to deal with any abnormals. Nobody has problems in normal situations.

mrdeux 14th May 2018 12:12

This is a cockpit I would not have wanted to be in. Well done.

TurningFinalRWY36 14th May 2018 12:22


Originally Posted by Dan Winterland (Post 10146129)
Good work! The QRH procedures would definitely not be applicable in this event. A good example of why skill and airmanship is still required, despite the best efforts of the industry to make them obsolete!

Would like your explanation for that, not familiar with the A319

Dubaian 14th May 2018 12:41

Many thanks for your translations shimin

Octane 14th May 2018 12:45

Don't think you'd be doing much reading in an 800 km/h gale!

Deepinsider 14th May 2018 12:48

With what we know so far, what an incredibly good job of basic airmanship and real handling, so often not evident
in various events around the world in recent years.
A decompression involving not only critically high terrain, but damage / injury to the F/D and pilot(s), And..damage
to items such as the FCU (which would always be the preferred method of controlling the a/c )
Even the most cruel sim instructor would be hard pressed to dream up a worse training scenario.!
WELL DONE those pilots.

shimin 14th May 2018 12:55


Originally Posted by Dubaian (Post 10146496)
Many thanks for your translations shimin

Please excuse my poor English. Whether Captain Sully or Captain Liu, I find that a good professional pilot has something in common: always be prepared to deal with abornmals. They have done their duty with the most honest. I remember Captain Sully answered a similar question in the famous 60 Minutes Interview. He said , I had no time to look after others and by that time I had to go all out to fly.

shimin 14th May 2018 13:34

The update: Attendant shouted, We Have The Confidence To Safely Landing!
May 14 4:10 P.M., one of flight 3u8633 passengers, 25-Year-old Phuntsog just returned to the home in Lhasa. Recalling the incident,in addition to fright, he felt more warmth. Phuntsog was dozing off at the time of the incident. With such a loud "bang", he was suddenly awakened. The plane weightlessness down, oxygen masks also fell down, the flight attendants hurriedly help everyone put on oxygen masks.
"Except the moment of weightlessness, rest of the flying is quite smooth." Phuntsog said, but the panic still spread in the cabin, some passengers began to vomit, he also felt the hands are numb. He knew very well that he was going through an accident, but there was nothing to do about it.
"One of the 'buddies'sitting next to me looked up at me and asked me what happened." Phuntsog said, the man who has never met before help him rub his hands, comfort him not nervous.He felt his hands better, but his heart was still uneasy. The cabin was out of power and the cabin PA system couldn't work. "Suddenly, I heard a flight attendant shouting at everyone's throat: 'Please believe us, we have the confidence to be able to take you to the ground!'"
Hearing this, Phuntsog's heart suddenly bright."That's a very important thing in that atmosphere!We understand that the crew has done everything in their power to do what it takes to wait."
All flight attendants worked as usual such as serving waters to the passengers. In such an atmosphere,the passengers remained remarkably consistent and peace during the entire landing. Phuntsog deeply hugged the passenger of in his next seat each other at the moment of the plane successfully landing on the Shuangliu airport.
He wrote lovingly in his circle of friends:"Thanks to the pilots and flight attendants of the 3u8633, it was your composure that created the crash-landing miracle. I give you my praise!"
Sorry for my poor translation and unable to inset the images of accident cabin here.

belfrybat 14th May 2018 13:42

shimin: It's perfectly understandable, and that is what matters. Keep up the good work!

MD83FO 14th May 2018 13:44

is this a chinese made plane?

shimin 14th May 2018 13:55


Originally Posted by belfrybat (Post 10146541)
shimin: It's perfectly understandable, and that is what matters. Keep up the good work!

Thanks for your kind words. Once I get something new and worthy to be shared here, I will do it again.

framer 14th May 2018 13:59

Well done, I hope you both recover quickly from any injuries.

shimin 14th May 2018 14:00

All the leaders of Sichuan Airlines came to the hospital, and a witness saw a vice president yelling at the doctor, "I want my copilot's ear cured perfectly!"

flite idol 14th May 2018 14:24

Thanks again for the translation Shimin. Great job by the Captain and the whole crew.

shimin 14th May 2018 14:37

Update: Nice To Be Alive
A passenger's note on his smart phone and send to his friends.
In May 14, 2018, 3U8633, Chengdu Shuangliu Airport, I just experienced a life and death.
From Chongqing to Lhasa, the route that I had taken countless times, I slept on my seat as usual. The stewardess woke me up to the breakfast time. As usual, I reckon how long it will take to get to Lhasa. The shock always happens in a sudden break. Suddenly, there was a loud noise at the top of the plane, the cabin suddenly darkened, the oxygen mask fell in front of me, and the plane began to fall as fast as it was, just for a moment. My mind was blank. After seeing around, it was confirmed that it was not my dream. Then I wore mechanically the oxygen mask according to the instructions of the stewardess. After the blanks, there was a surge of fear. I was clearly know I was going to experience an bad accident, and I had no way to do it. When I realized that I couldn't do anything about survival, depression, fear and panic began to fill me. I always thought I was not afraid of death, but when you really faced death and could do nothing, I was like a fish that had just been put into the boiling water and was attacked by little bits of death. I can see clearly that the iceberg beneath the plane and they are only about a kilometer away. Real depression just started. I feel the despair in the eyes of the passengers around, perhaps they can also feel my despair.
Of course, I am still alive and lovely now. Just like fairy tales, pilot has become hero in the twinkling of an eye. He gradually controlled the situation, changed direction, flew to Chengdu, and then landed on the runway of Shuangliu Airport. Hanging heart also slowly landed, trance seems to have gone through a dream, to be thrilling, and finally returned to peace. I am seating in the cabin now, waiting for the trailer to pull the plane to safe area and the all the cabin is just back to life.
It's not clear how I feel now. To escape or to die? Thank you for pilots and stewardess. Save me alive without death at such a young age. I can only say one thing: it's nice to be alive.

shimin 14th May 2018 14:40


Originally Posted by flite idol (Post 10146571)
Thanks again for the translation Shimin. Great job by the Captain and the whole crew.

Thanks my friend. Appreciate the today's techology, we can share the information so easy and positively.

DaveReidUK 14th May 2018 14:56


Originally Posted by MD83FO (Post 10146544)
is this a chinese made plane?

Have you read post #2 ?

777humility 14th May 2018 14:57

Even though am yet to get my first license, allow me to also commend the crew for a job well done.

metro301 14th May 2018 14:57

Just a thought.... Not sure if the video online is of this incident but.....

There is a video from the cockpit of the windshield shorting out and arcing. The video is approximately 45 seconds long. It shows the short starting, growing, and the crew doing nothing but video.

I am wondering which "Emergency Procedure" they applied. There is a procedure for Window Arcing in the A320 QRH. The procedure is to pull circuit breakers as noted in the QRH. I can guarantee it does not say pull phone and start video.

If in fact they had performed the arcing procedure, perhaps they would not have had to conduct the Emergency Decent procedure nor deal with any missing FCU issues.

RAT 5 14th May 2018 15:13

Interesting Liu said he reduced speed with F/O hanging out of the window. Very understandable. It would be a bit of a dilemma deciding what speed to descend at. The pax have 15mins O2. They can survive without O2 <15000', even 18000'. Priority would be to recover F/O. The interview suggested the whole manoeuvre might have been in manual control. Then very good piloting to navigate and land using raw data and manual control. One assumes ATC became workable once a lower level and slower speed and they could help with vectors.
A well done and medal required, plus pension enhancement. In fact a whip-round amongst the pax would be justified.

framer 14th May 2018 15:15

Is the video of this flight or another flight?

metro301 14th May 2018 15:21

Unknown... Not sure if it is.

About half way through you can hear a single chime master caution alert that sounds pretty airbus.

Suvarnabhumi 14th May 2018 15:45

This video of arcing that is circulating online is not an A319 !

In the A320 family aircraft I would hope crews are actually aware of the QRH procedure , know where to find the CBs quickly and not start filming with their iPhone trying to be the next social media star.

Dan Winterland 14th May 2018 15:51


Good work! The QRH procedures would definitely not be applicable in this event. A good example of why skill and airmanship is still required, despite the best efforts of the industry to make them obsolete!
Would like your explanation for that, not familiar with the A319
An explosive decompression requires an emergency descent. The Airbus procedure as described in the Flight Crew Techniques Manual relies on the use of the Autoflight System and consequently the Flight Control Panel. But if this has been ripped from it's mountings and is hanging by it's wires, it's going to be of little use. It also requires some crew communication, but if one of the crew has no eardrums left and there is a 300knot gale inside the cockpit, that's not going to be possible. Modern airline crew training relies on procedures based on the designers best guess at all possible scenarios. They produce procedures based on these and they are what are in the electronic checklist procedures and programmed into the simulators - and consequently this is what the crews train for. There is little variation in these and pilots get quite good at managing the 'canned' emergencies.

But in the real world, the aircraft doesn't really care what the designers thinks it should be doing and it breaks down in many various and inventive ways. In the last five years, I have had four major events in Airbus types and not one of them was resolved by the pre-determined actions as defined by the ECAM (Engine Control and Monitoring System). In fact, in one case, following the ECAM procedure would have made the situation far worse by depressurising the cabin. In all these four cases, it required airmanship,experience and systems knowledge to achieve a safe and satisfactory outcome.

Current training is being cut back to the bare minimum based on the assumption that modern aircraft are so automated that they will look after themselves. The result that training is very heavily procedure based. Rigid Standard Operating Procedures are now the industry standard and there is essentially no flexibility outside these rules leading to the loss of airmanship and basic flying skills I alluded to.

Luckily, passengers have had Captains Chesney Sullenburger, Tammie Jo Shults and Liu Shunjian with their experience, skill and airmanship to get them back to earth safely. The current trend means this type of pilot is becoming increasingly rare.


Global Aviator 14th May 2018 17:29

CB
 

Originally Posted by Suvarnabhumi (Post 10146627)
This video of arcing that is circulating online is not an A319 !

In the A320 family aircraft I would hope crews are actually aware of the QRH procedure , know where to find the CBs quickly and not start filming with their iPhone trying to be the next social media star.

True indeed, what a dreadful spot for a CB you need to get to in a hurry!

F-16GUY 14th May 2018 18:32


Originally Posted by Suvarnabhumi (Post 10146627)
This video of arcing that is circulating online is not an A319 !

Anyone who have a link to said video?


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