B 737-MAX Maiden Flight
 

I saw it at lunch time flying by Paine Field in Everett - I presume they were doing a simulated go-around.
I was trying to access the noise level as it climbed away (787s and 747-8s are noticeably quieter than the 777s and 767s that fly out of Paine), but it was hard to tell due to the (noisy) T-38 chase plane right next to it. :(

That is not a good looking aircraft :yuk:

It's really just a 737. Minimal change.

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Wait till you see the cockpit:ugh:

They butchered it..
 

Well, it LOOKS like it goes fast?

Ah now it makes sense where they went wrong..
 

http://twitter.com/BoeingAirplanes/s...333696/photo/1


Check out the right engine. It's bigger then the left!!!! And makes sense after reading Boeings Press Release that said "it will fly rings around the other aircraft".

So they new it was bad from the start..:ugh:



:p

Don't tell me, Airbus fans and you love the A320, right?

Ignorance is bliss I guess....:ugh:

ACMS? Non-pilot...
 

...but as a pax only, the A320 is one noisy 'bus'! (<see what I did?) Not a fan.

Kinda needed to see the pic from Twitter then my 'serious' post would've made sense. Along with my tongue in cheek emoticon. Omg. I just spelt it out. Haha.

But oh no. Ppprune makes everything harder then it needs to with posting pics.


:O

Looks Good
 

IMO, the 737MAX is a good airplane, but still has to prove herself through the battery of cert. text. While Boeing has made a few errors here and there, if the engines prove themselves, they have another winner on their hands - and they cannot build them fast enough.

You mean the same certification stuff they held onto from about 1967??:rolleyes: That's before the moon landing!

All they're testing is that the engines won't blow up and that the new electrics won't catch on fire.

Everything else is pretty well been tested to death over the last 45 years. Remember this is the same type certificate from the 60's!

Don,t forget about flying straight and level without doing any nose hard over.

Sorry couldt resist.

You mean rudder hard over? If you're going to be critical, at least be right. The rudder hard over issue was fixed in the mid 90s.

The aircraft looks fine from the outside to me. Prettier than anything Airbus make, anyway. I'm not a fan of the new display screens, though, one pilot losing half their nav display in order to display engine parameters or any systems displays. That was evidently done for cost, not practicality. It is also way past time they improved the central warning system (very unreliable) and the switchgear for the hydraulics and anti-ice, neither of which has been attended to despite the history.

Not an AB fan at all but the A320 NEO looks great, everything in proportion, even with the bigger engines its an attractive aircraft.


The MAX may be efficient but its ugly, sitting low to the ground but having the nose gear jacked up to give the engines adequate clearance, the same ancient nose section from the 707 and all that cr*p at the end of the wings, it looks like it tried to taxi through too narrow a space.


I'm sure this Boeing will be a good aircraft but its seriously aesthetically challenged, even the 787 looks better.

I find similarities equally interesting as differences...if you compare the 737 Max and A350 (same generation) flight deck, there are a few: the big screens, the "mouse" or camel hump for lack of a better word, no trim wheels.

United have been operating a 737 out of Hong Kong for a while with those same winglets. Are they an option on current 737's?

Well boeing will no doubt build lots of them whatever is said on here

It words and its economical despite being basically 50 years old on the surface.

Massive commonality issues for mega users like Southwest and Ryanair and i think that sort of thing decides whether an airline buys Boeing or Airbus a lot of the time for single aisle aircraft. (of course some huge carriers buy both)

Theres' not alot of difference except in the comfort stakes where unsurprisingly the newer AB design wins hands down being designed for the larger frame pax of the end of the 20th century not the slimline folks of the 50s . And if you have been on the two flight decks the AB advantage is even greater unless you are wedded to yokes.

However pax comfort is not somethign the airlines give a toss about and crew comfort comes even lower down the list and so we will soldier on until 2040 or so with much the same designs as have dominated the airways and gate spaces of the world since the 1980s

Does anyone know if the new Max8 will have slower landing speed than the current -800? The latter lands very fast especially at Flap 30 - 148kts typically.

Let's not turn this into the usual A v B fight ladies & gentlemen

Both aircraft will be better than their predecessors, will sell in the thousands and will be the backbone of global flying for the next 40-50 years

Lets hope they make the airlines some cash.....

Does it have PEPSI on the side?

without wishing to stir this pot, I do think (with this 'new' 737) we are starting to see the balance of power shift to AB, Boeing seem to be on the back foot now in every segment, their only real 'new' plane is the 787, and in the meantime, AB have not been so timid with the A380, A350, 320neo and now the 330neo.

A good reliable income producing airframe for Boeing.

Same crappy cockpit with the eh same crappy seats with the 787 displays. Gee wiz.

The split winglet is available on current 737 - or at least the 800.

Southwest in the states were the first to get them. Quite a few Thomson 737-8 aircraft have them in the UK

Better, but only just. The undeniable fact is that A320 is 20 years younger in its roots than B737. You can put new wing, engine, winglets, LED cabin lighting, etc., but it will still be good old B737 with almost zero respect for pilot comfort: manual switching (fuel, hyd, elec, pitot heat, you name it) pressurization panel design that might kill you one day, non-reduntant six-pack announciator that is a no-go item and doesn't give you ANY warning if the master caution button stucks in the pressed position, etc.

Sure, it's a nice aircraft to fly, but not for the ranges it's being able now thanks to the lower and lower fuel consumption. I don't envy guys flying BBJ, not even a bit.

split scimitar differs from MAX winglet
 

The split scimitar second generation winglet which has recently been appearing as retrofits on Boeing NG 737s (especially Southwest and United -800 models) differs appreciably from the split winglet on the 737 MAX.

The angles are not the same, precluding detailed comparison, but you can still tell these are not the same
MAX split winglet:
http://www.b737.org.uk/images/winglet-at.jpg
Split scimitar now available for 737-700, 800, 900, and BBJ
http://www.b737.org.uk/images/winglet-splitscimitar.jpg

Boeing currently projects Vref of 149 kts, Flaps 30 at MLGW.

Wonder what the speed is at typical landing gross weights.

I actually prefer the higher vref speeds, never flown the 737 but the higher approach speeds on the 757-300 and 767-400 made for a more stable
aircraft in gusty winds that went where you put it.


A light 757-200 handles like a kite in strong winds at those much lower approach speeds, it gets blown all over the place, flaps 25 helped a lot though :ok:

Wish Boeing would retro the 727, ahh now that would be the dream machine. It would solve the ETOPS issues!

Stilton: I have flown both 737/738 and 752/753 and found the 757s to be more stable in gusty winds at normal landing weights despite having lower speeds than the 737, except a light 752 like you mention. Agreed on the flaps 25, always works like a charm

McDonnell's business model ended Douglas Aircraft Corp just as surely as it will bring down Boeing's commercial passenger aircraft division.

Mark Lacter - LA Observed

I'll second that. Considering we spend up to 14 hours sitting down, why do Boeing provide the worst seats in any industry? I have no problem with car seats or office seats, but the Boeing is like sitting on a park bench all day. Actually, I would prefer it if they dump the £100k seat, and fit a £5 deck-chair instead. It would be a darn sight more comfortable.

ST

Interesting SR22, thanks for that, makes sense, bigger, heavier aircraft always seem to fly better.


I had flown the 757 for years before we started recommending F25 in gusty winds, quite a difference in handling, makes life a lot easier and I started using it all the time, except for very short runways, another benefit is it seemed to help alleviate that 'dead spot in pitch' as you lower the nose and sometimes loose elevator effectiveness.


Best wishes.

Well, there's no getting around it - It IS AB v Boeing...

Its a rehash of an old plane, looks old too. - I could put shorts on, but I still wouldn't look 21 again. But if they get the price right.. Who knows.

If the A320Neo can sort out the engines and they don't have a host of tech issues then I think the Max is going to get hurt as it is just lipstick on a pig.

However if the Neo starts having problems then the Max will be lauded as great new aeroplane and will still be flying around in 2030+ with no EICAS/No fly by wire/manual everything.

Meanwhile people will still be writing articles about autonomous aircraft being just around the corner:rolleyes:

It kind of reminds me of the Checker cab...

...Lipstick on a pig. What a metaphor! Brilliant.

My wish is one day they'll put a flippin' carpet in the flight deck. That's all, just a bit of sound deadening and felt on the floor. Is it too much to ask?

Fox news...
 

Looking at the first post, I thought this to be rubbish, there was no maiden flight of the aircraft in question. Then I saw it covered by some real news agencies, not only FOX...
But on more serious notes, even though this aircraft isn't exactly new it's probably a potential moneymaker. I say, well done Boeing, congratulations for being able to market this 60 year old design as new. :cool:

The 737MAX already has more than 3000 orders totaling $200 billion+ at list, and it's just getting started.

The A320neo caught Boeing off-guard, but barring a major unforeseen issue the 737MAX will be a big moneymaker for Boeing until the all-new 737 comes out in 2030.