Indonesian airliner skids off runway
 

Garuda Indonesia flight #GA618 from Jakarta overran runway on landing at Makassar Airport.
The Boeing 737-800 landed at Makassar Airport during severe thunderstorm.

ILS 13 at Makassar require a minimum visibility of 900m, METAR at/near time of #GA618 #PKGFA occurence was 500m in thunderstorm.

#GA618 flight was a Boeing 737-800 with 144 passengers and 8 crew members.

AirLive.net: BREAKING Garuda Indonesia #GA618 overran runway on landing at Makassar Airport, no injuries reported

Your Headline should read - ANOTHER INDONESIAN AIRLINER SKIDS OFF RUNWAY - honestly what is wrong with the Indonesian pilots, absolute disregard for safety, landing in severe thunderstorm conditions with reduced visibility, these guys grow up and train in conditions like that and yet can still screw it up royally:=
I`ve flown into Makassar on numerous occasions with heavy thunderstorm on finals and over the airfield, its simple, hold over the sea normally 20 - 25nm from the airfield for a short while and it will clear - wow that was hard:ugh:

Same old - same old....:eek:

http://s21.postimg.org/pzdo4fpw7/104...78770812_n.jpg

Ladder&Umbrella evacuation..?

LOL !! Do you know how much it costs if you deploy the emergency slides? Garuda does !!

What is wrong with these idiots? It is almost as if they want to crash :mad:

Nice new drainage ditch beside the runway. I think the wrong farming implement was used for it though!

So that is why they are using a step ladder to disembark the passengers?
Clever.:D

Just another day and another runway excursion in Indonesia. What else should one expect?:ugh:

Looks like the gent with the brolly is already airborne.

1/ yet another Indonesian Jet lands in a heavy rain event and fails to stop in the LDA.......either they need to stop landing in heavy rain or they need to groove the runways ( preferably both )

2/ they decide not to use the slide ( fair enough ) but use a ladder????? Surely a mobile set of steps are available at that Airport???? They had a bus there to take the pax away.

The mind boggles again.....

"Just what facts do you know about the crew and/or this incident to come to this judgement?"

Repetition maybe?

That ladder is at an unsafe angle - should be more vertical than that.
Is the bottom of the ladder chocked? Top of ladder lashed?
Absolute culpable stupidity.

Enough - and enough about aviation in Indonesia in general given the sheer number of these sorts of incidents.

For those interested as to WHY the landing may have been attempted, i'd recommended having a read of Mandala999's post on this (spotters) website.

GA618 Overruns Runway At UPG — Civil Aviation Forum | Airliners.net

(Note Gerry is a well respected analyst on Indonesian aviation).

I find comments like this not at all surprising:

Ladder angled for comfort and convenience
 

It seems that the ladder has been angled to let the passengers step directly onto the asphalt and keep their shoes clean. If it was steeper, it would require walking in mud. Which would be messy and inconvenient when disembarking from an aircraft that has run off the side of a runway. Creative customer service!!

Right, I've been searching for a thread so this one can be tied up, but cannot find, so putting this here.

Some people may remember the strange story of an Indonesian governor who was so furious that he was unable to get on a fully booked Merpati flight from Bajawa to Kupang he ordered his staff to blockade the runway for two hours before the circling plane had no option but to return whence it came.

Anyway, full justice has been served yesterday, with authorities coming down on hard on the governor and his staff that blockaded the runway -

Court Hands Down Suspended Sentences in Runway Blockade Case - The Jakarta Globe

Spoiler - no charges against governor, his staff fined 38 cents (US).

Paulus705, I share your frustration (#7) Unfortunately it follows from the human condition, which we would hope that professionals can put aside – avoid hindsight, have a willingness to learn, have an understanding of human behaviour, and avoid complacency – (it won’t happen to me).

“We are a culture without the will to seriously examine our own problems. We eschew that which is complex, contradictory or confusing. As culture, we seek simple solutions. We enjoy being provoked and titillated, but resist the rigorous, painstaking examination of issues that might, in the end, bring us to the point of recognizing our problems, which is the essential first step to solving any of them”. (David Simon)

And from the reports above, this culture can also be found in management.

Bags to go
 

Hobby horse of mine, I know, but the pax were evacuating by ladder with cabin baggage on their backs. This is an unstoppable human reaction in the absence of a direct threat to life. The lovely Garuda cabin steward with the brolly clearly has no concerns about this.


The emergency evacuation instructions in this respect are never ever followed, and understandably so.

DC-10 excursion - UPG 1980
 

Reply to JammedStab from thread for Montreal excursion.


Current incident was on old runway 13 (2500 m) and aircraft was 2nd to land following or during reported thunderstorm.
Certainly lots of water about.

Does anyone remember the GA DC-10 that ran off the same runway at UPG (Hasanuddin) in about 1980 with a senior KLM secondee at the helm and sat for about a year while Douglas engineers put the missing engines back on?
Can find no record via Google.

Aircraft landed long and bounced during torrential downpour of type frequent to that airport.
Sat without No 1 & 3 for a long time. They (I think) became detached when the nose wheel collapsed or sunk into the paddy.
The only injuries were from evacuation from rear door where the slide only went half way to the ground.

Strange that this relatively serious incident gets no mention anywhere - or not that I can find.

This link has a list of any serious DC-10 accidents or incidents such as overruns. As you can see, the only Garuda DC-10 accident was in Fukuoka where a high speed reject was initiated after the start of rotation(yes, the nosegear was airborne) was done due to an engine failure(it was only the #2 engine).

Aviation Safety Network > ASN Aviation Safety Database > Type index > ASN Aviation Safety Database results

Easy champ ...
 

Certainly did happen.
I can give a list of witnesses or a couple of evacuees if you prefer?

I have one reference to the incident DC-10-30 PK-GIB MSN 46919-226 - and replacement of WINGS and engines.
I'd be careful about using the registration number alone as Garuda / Indonesia tend to re-use numbers on occasion.
I remember the engine replacement but not the wings.

These repairs all happened on the apron at Hasanuddin - 100 metres from the old terminal - over about a 12 month period; maybe more.
A team of Douglas engineers identified and occupied most of the UP night spots for most of that period.
And all passengers walking out for boarding got a good, close-up look at progress.


That is why I find it so strange that there seems to be no real record of the event.
Maybe because no fatalities - just a couple of broken legs.
But if replacing wings and engines is correct then this should rate somewhere alongside the QF A380 incident for potential loss of life.

Thanks for the info. You can send any solid evidence of such an incident to this link from the earlier website I posted. Then it will be available to anyone. They are always keen for updates and accuracy.

Aviation Safety Network > About ASN > Contact

Frequently a government investigation agency will provide further info into past investigations which would be quite helpful if you could take the time to approach them.

Please keep us up to date.

Ujung Pandang DC-10 excursion
 

Aaah .... solid evidence. There's the rub.
Particularly when my note mentioned lack of records.

Other than having seen it and walked past it about 20 times myself, the "solid evidence" is what's missing.
Since it was in about 1980, that pre-dates cell phone cameras, selfies and the like.
I MAY have a photo or two somewhere but wouldn't guarantee it.
Anyone who worked at Soroako around that time would know about it, and our HR Manager was on it, as a passenger of course.

I'd have thought that Boeing (nee McDonnell Douglas) must have records but probably not too keen to share them, in case I want to blame my hip replacement on the long drop from the aft door.
And I doubt that the Indonesian authorities a) have such records OR b) are willing to share them.
Hopefully there is an MD engineer or two out there who remembers the case.

I also found this article: https://www.mail-archive.com/palanta.../msg05679.html

which says "Kecelakaan pesawat di Indonesia bukan hal baru. Lihat saja data berikut ini
berserta lokasi kejadiannya: Januari 1981, DC-10 Garuda tergelincir di Bandara
Ujung Pandang; 23 November 1992, DC-9 Garuda tergelincir di Jogjakarta ......, etc"


And from a blog site "Regulator Indonesia pernah meng-grounded enam armada pesawat badan lebar
DC-10 Garuda Indonesian Airways sekitar sebulan, menyusul kecelakaan DC-10
terperosok roda depannya di ujung landasan pacu Bandara Hasanuddin,
Makassar, awal tahun 1980-an."


Translates to :- The Indonesian regulator previously grounded a fleet of six wide-bodied DC-10 aircraft for approximately one month following an incident in which a DC-10 "blew a front tyre" (sic) at the end of the runway at Hasanuddin airport, at the beginning of the 80's"

pay to fly ?

How about this one?

http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/5...-montreal.html

Nah,
Nothing exceptional about that one. They used a regular airstairs to deplane.:}
Which country has more air carrier flights on an annual basis? Indonesia or Canada? That would begin to provide a basis of comparison.

Curiosity now has the better of me. Can anyone confirm a 'wing' change on a DC10 occurred as suggested in the '80s. Such a task, even for an approved MRO of the time would have been a significant event and if this actually happened, I am surprised we heard nothing of it at the DC10 operator I worked for at the time. My caveat is, as always, I stand to be corrected.

Finally got the Flickr link to open
 

Terry McCassey : Try this link

https://www.flickr.com/photos/saints09/3961489187


After opening, wait for the comments from Chris Geddes to appear

I have good recollection of the event occurring, if not the exact detail.
I do remember the aircraft parked on the apron under the attention of the MD engineers for a long, long time.
If it occurred in January 1981 (and that fits) then it was definitely gone before May 1983.
I distinctly remember it without engines and have a very vague recollection of one wing being flown in.
Anecdote was that the 1 & 3 engines were detached in the incident though they may have just swallowed swamp water and rice.

The Indonesian links that I quoted seem to indicate that I am not the only person who knows about this incident.
But it now seems even more incredible that it doesn't appear on any of the "incident lists" for DC-10's globally.

Found it!!! Listed in Flight's mid year accident list

1981 | 2336 | Flight Archive

Jan 12 1981 - Garuda DC-10-30 PK-GIB 11 crew +196 pax - ran off runway on landing. Substantial damage

WingNut/Harry - great find and thanks. I am not ready to sprinkle the salt and pepper on the hat, not just yet. Substantial repair on a wing can really mean anything. I had the pleasure of watching the Boeing field repair rebuild a technically scrapped B742F in Hong Kong and the job I am told, would not have been attempted without securing the aircraft in a hangar, levelled and secured. This was done in about 40 days and did not require any wing work so to attempt a substantial wing repair in the open, and keep it from prying eyes, still raises my interest. I guess some Google searching required.

Thanks of course, Terry

appears to have gone to Continental afterwards and then back to Garuda......

Briefly leased to both COA and then MAS in the mid-late 80s.

That accident at Ujung Padang seems to have been kept quiet from the press at the time. Had a search of The Times and the National Library of Singapore archives for 1982 and nothing showed up.

Hang about. A WestJet 737 skids off at Montreal and there is one throw away reply. Indonesian aircraft does more or less the same thing and it's; "when will they learn?, not surprised", etc.

Not exactly correct
 

StandByKid : There were several very pointed replies.

One only left following "MODification"

UPG DC-10
 

Terry : No real alternative at that time

Hasanuddin was one paved runway and an unpaved cross-runway.
I flew out of that one in a Merpati F-27 as late as about 1997.
Certainly nowhere to hide a DC-10

I seem to remember being told that this WAS reported in Australia at the time - 12 Jan 1981.

Is this matter worth putting on a different thread somewhere?
I still have some contacts and opportunity to follow up for details / confirmation.

Hasanuddin often has a large cloud over one end (the eastern, mountain end), where it is chucking it down and there are all sorts of wind changes and the other (western, seaward) end is in brilliant sunshine

I have a vague memory that some of our guys were delayed by this event for a day or two but it's a longgg time ago

and in the early 1980's Pres. Suharto and friends kept the Indonesian media on a very short leash

Obviously it must be some sort of racism that appears to be hinted at in a couple of posts here. Yet I can find an example of similar for an Indonesian incident. Two replies to this overrun. Proving of course that no bigotry is involved, just reality.

http://www.pprune.org/rumours-news/2...nway-indo.html

So the reality is that it is not surprising when there is another serious incident in Indonesia. One has to wonder why almost every airline in the country is banned from entering Europe.

Now one can choose denial and leap at the occasional incident in another country as some sort of indicator that the other country must therefore be just as bad or bring up the fact that some incident 35 years ago was captained by an expat(as was originally done on the other thread concerning an overrun in another country before the subject was repeated here and deleted there). But that just shows the depth of denial of the serious problem.

Here are some highlights from a recent NY Times article.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/01/01/wo...fety.html?_r=0

"JAKARTA, Indonesia — When a team of United Nations auditors visited Jakarta in May to rate the country’s aviation safety, they came to a troubling conclusion: Indonesia was well below the global average in every category, and scored just 61 percent in airworthiness.

The audit reinforced the fact that Indonesia, which scored far worse than impoverished neighbors such as Laos and Myanmar, has a chronic problem with aviation safety."

"One symbol of its dismal aviation record is a mountain near Jakarta that has been the site of a half-dozen fatal crashes by planes large and small over the past dozen years."

"Insurance companies charge Indonesian airlines nearly double the global average for premiums per passenger because of their poor safety history. Airlines in only a handful of countries in Africa and Latin America pay more, while most other Asian carriers pay considerably less."
"

"The European Union currently bars 62 Indonesian carriers from flying to Europe for safety reasons. That used to include the Indonesian subsidiary of AirAsia, but the European Union has cleared Garuda, Indonesia AirAsia and a few other carriers over the last several years as they have worked to improve safety."

"Yet Indonesia has long ranked at or near the top of every list of developing countries with an aviation safety problem. "

"It is one of nine countries currently listed as failing a safety assessment by the United States Federal Aviation Administration. (The other countries are Bangladesh, Barbados, Curaçao, Ghana, India, Nicaragua, Saint Martin and Uruguay.)"

The problem in Indonesia is not so much aviation but more the fact that corruption is everywhere... Everybody expects and is able to pay it's way. This combined with a racist society that rates itself very high and a culture that encourages to pay respect to the higher person (read in this case the captain) is a recipe for disaster... :suspect:

So instead of embracing foreign knowledge and staff they have decided that Indonesians are the best even if they are not... and the persons that are doing the checking are willing to accept payments to pass people who should fail. Now dont get me wrong there are some excellent aviators and regulators in Indonesia but unfortunately they are a minority :ugh:

This is the one country where I refuse to fly on any local airline... :}

Rant over