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elvispilot 17th Mar 2014 03:33

Delta aircraft loses a part of the wing
 
A Delta 757 loses a part of the wing, wonder how bad it would have been if the engines were rear mounted

tiger9999187 17th Mar 2014 03:35

http://i.imgur.com/59oQPGZ.jpg Photo including a leak

elvispilot 17th Mar 2014 03:51

@tiger: the passenger who took that pic is a boss :D

lomapaseo 17th Mar 2014 04:01

Wow right along the attachment line on all sides. When they find it they might even be able to reuse it if the attachment holes were mostly empty.

elvispilot 17th Mar 2014 04:08

@lomapaseo : I'm no expert but I'm surprised that some of the wires didn't come off

Heli-phile 17th Mar 2014 04:21

Loss of wing panel @tiger9999187
 
Wow, did the gear extend ok, major hydraulic leak on that right main gear ram!

http://i.imgur.com/59oQPGZ.jpg Photo including a leak

oldpax 17th Mar 2014 04:33

Material
 
They could make the wing piece from Perspex!!Then you could see things working!!!

ampclamp 17th Mar 2014 04:41

Fortunate it did not do some stab or elevator damage.

n6330v 17th Mar 2014 04:44

first time I've seen something like that. :D

mseyfang 17th Mar 2014 05:03

Plane was Delta 2412 KMCO-KATL.

mary meagher 17th Mar 2014 08:25

At a moment like this, keep calm and carry on! where was it going, I wonder, and how high when this photo was taken out a passenger's window....that's somebody I would call a very first class passenger!

owen meaney 17th Mar 2014 08:32

Are we being misled?
It looks like an access panel removed for inspection.

Edit:

major hydraulic leak on that right main gear ram!
What color is hydrolic oil?
Why is there a test kit attached to the ram?

StormyKnight 17th Mar 2014 09:14

The image looks real to me at least this posted version, the jpg tiles match up between the wing & sky....
No jaggies seen, no errors noticed on the static discharge? protrusions (trailing edge, outside wing)
The photo would need to be taken & processed in raw mode & then converted to a jpg to give the same effect, but the noise levels look very similar between the wing & sky i.e. same camera used...

Of course no EXIF data provided...
Could be wrong, but....

AND..the oil spray looks very realistic! :)

Xeque 17th Mar 2014 09:21

Can anyone here tell from the ram whether the wheels are up or down?

t_cas 17th Mar 2014 09:50

Gear is up.

Volume 17th Mar 2014 10:10


It looks like an access panel removed for inspection.
It definitively is an access panel (typically called shroud panel), and maybe it has been previously removed for inspection, but obviously not fastened after... There is not a single remainder of the panel in the fastening areas. To break all fasteners is highly improbable. Someone forgot to install all of them?
I assume a ferry flight without that panel is not allowed?
Some mechanic will probably have a chat with his boss now...

owen meaney 17th Mar 2014 10:49


The image looks real to me at least this posted version, the jpg tiles match up between the wing & sky....
When enlarged, I thought the same, which led me to think of the perspective, the aircraft could be on the ground and jacked. Low cloud behind.
As someone said, it is a lot of screws to be left out/loose.

Cameronian 17th Mar 2014 11:00

The upward curve to the wing looks natural and strongly suggestive of in-flight loading, owen meaney.

owen meaney 17th Mar 2014 11:07

Yes indeed it does, cheers Cameronian.

Should have looked online first:
http://www.news.com.au/world/delta-p...-1226857236107

aterpster 17th Mar 2014 11:55

I suppose an ETOPS (or whatever it's called these days) wouldn't dare shed a panel like that over the middle of the pond. :eek:

Una Due Tfc 17th Mar 2014 11:56

Owen, the hydraulic fluid (called "skydrol") is pink/purple to make a leak easier to spot

EDMJ 17th Mar 2014 12:23

There must be an embarrassed person out there with a pocket full of fasteners.... :E

Tailspin Turtle 17th Mar 2014 14:59

Once upon a time, many years ago, I boarded a Delta jet at SFO somewhat early. I had a seat on the aisle in an emergency exit row. I was just making my nest when three Delta employees showed up and asked the lady in the row across from me if she would mind getting up for a few minutes. She got up and they proceeded to open the exit door (it was a lot heavier than I would have thought) and all get out on the wing. They stood there looking down at a small access door about six to ten feet out from the fuselage and then one of them, presumably the mechanic (engineer to non U.S. readers), took a roll of duct tape (aka speed tape) out of his overalls and proceeded to carefully apply tape along the edges of the door, overlapping both the door and the wing. He stood up, the other two (presumably an inspector and a supervisor) nodded their heads, and they all clambered back inside. It took a little jiggling and manhandling to get the door back in place but they did, thanked the lady, and departed the airplane. Passengers kept boarding through all of this.

The folks on that side of the jet kept the rest of us informed as to the condition of the duct tape all the way to Dallas...

JW411 17th Mar 2014 16:17

There is just a slight difference between speed tape and duct tape. If you don't believe me, go out and buy some speed tape but make sure you have a bank loan in position first.

Fargoo 17th Mar 2014 16:50


Are we being misled?
It looks like an access panel removed for inspection.

Edit:
Quote:
major hydraulic leak on that right main gear ram!
What color is hydrolic oil?
Why is there a test kit attached to the ram?
Not test kit, thats the flexible hydraulic hose ripped off its mounting.

The gear would still come down under gravity extension if the ram doesn't work.

It looks like there are a few sheared fasteners on the edge nearest the window and on the aft edge nearest the window, possibly job started and not handed over properly. Composite panel would rip right off on take-off although I'd expect it to pull over the screw heads rather than shear them off.

Great photos from the passenger though!

http://avherald.com/h?article=471862b4&opt=0

StormyKnight 17th Mar 2014 23:59

I would image a fair bit of force on that panel during flight...someone calculate that for me....
weight of the aircraft/wing area would give the weight per square inch then multiply by the area of the hatch...

What's the number?

HarryMann 18th Mar 2014 00:15

.. afew tons I expect!

Nobody has even said yet what type of aircraft it is...

Wasn't it Delta debris that supposedly ended Concorde's career, quelle chagrin!

elvispilot 18th Mar 2014 00:18

@harryman : It's apparently a 757

JRBarrett 18th Mar 2014 00:22


Originally Posted by Una Due Tfc (Post 8383005)
Owen, the hydraulic fluid (called "skydrol") is pink/purple to make a leak easier to spot

Skydrol is purple when concentrated in one location, like a reservoir, but when it spreads out over a surface, it's almost colorless.

Unlike MIL-H-5606, which leaves reddish stains wherever a leak exists.

Best indicator of a slow leak or seepage of Skydrol on the outside of an aircraft is to find deteriorated / bubbled paint. It's a better paint stripper than chemicals specifically designed for that purpose...

Lone_Ranger 18th Mar 2014 07:44


I would image a fair bit of force on that panel during flight...someone calculate that for me....
weight of the aircraft/wing area would give the weight per square inch then multiply by the area of the hatch...

What's the number?
You are talking about the aerodynamic forces?, if so the Calculation is more complex than working out wing loading and dividing by area

Firstly, its only the top skin missing, the underside of that area is still contributing a large percentage of the lift that it would produce, if the upper surface was intact.

Also it is apparently about 60% chord so aft of the CP and flow disruption
may well be quite minimal.

In all it probably had a far smaller effect on L/D than you might imagine

As for the percentage of structural strength of the wing it contributes, would, for me be a guess, so I wont bother....OK I'll bother...< 3%

crewbag 18th Mar 2014 08:39

Too much De-Icing? :}




What would be the fuel penalty factor with such a hole?!

Capn Bloggs 18th Mar 2014 09:58


Originally Posted by Harry
Nobody has even said yet what type of aircraft it is...

You could try reading the first post...


Originally Posted by Stormy night
I would image a fair bit of force on that panel during flight...someone calculate that for me....
weight of the aircraft/wing area would give the weight per square inch then multiply by the area of the hatch...

What's the number?

Work it out from here and let us know...
Boeing 757 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Spooky 2 18th Mar 2014 10:34

HarryMann it was a Continental DC10 not any DAL aircraft.:)

lapp 18th Mar 2014 10:57


There is just a slight difference between speed tape and duct tape. If you don't believe me, go out and buy some speed tape but make sure you have a bank loan in position first.
Nice line but try again, no loan is needed for a $30 roll of Scotch 425.

BARKINGMAD 18th Mar 2014 12:52

I hope the crew amended the Zero Fuel Mass before landing, otherwise the calculated landing mass and the load/trimsheet would have been inaccurate?

Tea but NO biscuits with flight management! ! ! ! :=

Capn Bloggs 18th Mar 2014 13:56


Tea but NO biscuits with flight management! ! ! !
That's a bit harsh, Barking. When did you last inspect the access panels on the top of your wings? Woof woof!

Five Green 19th Mar 2014 00:15

Unannunciated checklist
 
Wonder how much they added to V ref for that one !

Still speed taping hatches on newer airplanes

stilton 19th Mar 2014 07:35

Seems like this sort of thing happens to Delta a lot more often than the other US Legacies.


Their older fleet is starting to creak a little.

Una Due Tfc 19th Mar 2014 08:37

I think if the mechanic forgets to put the screws back in, the age of the aircraft has little bearing!

lakerman 19th Mar 2014 13:39

Stilton, if you had read the article fully you would have realised that the panel normally is never removed as it is fitted with a mixture of hi-loks, rivets and fasteners. Only Boeing know why there is that mix, with a hydraulic leak a burst of pressure could push the panel up and off where the leak is situated, remember the pressure is approx 3000psi.


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