the 777 FDR & CVR breakers are downstairs in the EE bay, unlike in earlier Boeing aircraft |
How does that impact the investigation? My assumption was that whoever initiated the departure from the original flight plan (and there IS consensus this must have been intentional, though most likely the last hours of the flight were purely on autopilot) with an objective to hide all traces would start by pulling the FDR CB, followed by all comms systems. If this is not possible, the FDR might indeed hold some clues on at least the initial sequence of events. |
Are there solutions for constant heading? i.e. rhumb line navigation?
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Originally Posted by HeyIts007
(Post 8541190)
I'm wondering if auto pilot might be the only way to keep an aircraft under some resemblance of controlled flight, if it sustained damage to its pilot control mechanisms?
I have no idea of the relevance to 777. |
@Shadoko : I agree that the line in Table 6 must be an error.
Regarding the sensitivity to errors in the BFO I feel that between all the computer simulations one tends to forget the basic facts. Basically the only independent information in the BFO is the line of sight (LOS) speed of the satellite towards the aircraft. It is what richardC10 calls D2_satellite in his paper. At a given velocity of the sat, D2_satellite is only a function of the angle between sat velocity vector and the line of sight. I.e. all points of equal D2_satellite are located on a cone around the sat's velocity vector. The intersection of this cone with the surface of the earth gives a line of position. http://www.argos-system.org/images/s.../tracking2.jpg This principle is used for satellite based location of emergency buoys (e.g.: FAQ - Argos) only that those systems are designed for that purpose and have a much more favorable geometry as opposed to the BFOs measured by inmarsat. Basically this Doppler derived line of position contains the BFO information which is uncorrelated to the BTO information. The intersection of the BTO line of position (ping arc) with the BFO line of position (doppler cone) defines the position of the aircraft. On the last ping arc, D2_satellite is greatest due south of the sub-satellite point and it is null on the equator abeam of the satellite. In the middle region between these two extreme ends the variation in D2_satellite can be approximated as linear. According to my calculations at 0:11 UTC D2_satellite is ~12m/s due south of the satellite. The radius r (not on the surface of earth) of the 0:11 ping arc is ~4000 km => the quarter circle section between due south and equator has a length of (pi * r)/2 ~= 6000 km In the region where MH370 is suspected the variation in D2_satellite can be approximated as linear, then 1 m/s in D2_satellite variation corresponds to 6000 km / (12 m/s) = 500 km per 1 m/s D2_satellite variation. At 1.6 GHz (L-Band uplink) 1 m/s relative LOS-velocity is equivalent to ~5.3 Hz Doppler shift. Thus the 1000 km position error for 10 Hz bias error make perfect sense. Actually the error should be much smaller and if it is measurement noise and not fixed bias error, those errors partially cancel out over the series of BFO measurements. |
Originally Posted by Gysbreght
(Post 8541979)
Hi Hyperveloce,
A couple of questions: I suppose you used the BFO calibration given in the report. What fixed frequency bias did you use? https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3s...it?usp=sharing It is not the uniform distribution between 245 and 155 Hz used in the report, 80 % of the estimated freq. biases are between 150 and 155 Hz.
Originally Posted by Gysbreght
(Post 8541979)
At each arc crossing of the segmented track there is a change of heading. The BFO changes with heading, so at each crossing there are two values of BFO, one for the arriving segment and one for the departing segment. Did you use both?
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3s...it?usp=sharing For each of the reference (non mutated/randomized) trajectories corresponding to each of the ground speed hypothesis (between 320 and 520 kts), the handshakes sample each time the new course taken arriving at a new ping ring. But in its subsequent mutations or crossovers, the relative timing between the trajectory and the hanshakes is also randomized (a handshake can occur slighty before or after the real one/related event on the trajectory).
Originally Posted by Gysbreght
(Post 8541979)
Assuming that your 'goodness-of-fit' criterion is the root-mean-square of the deviations between the calculated and the measured values of BFO, which speed gave the best fit, and what were the deviations at each point?
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Originally Posted by Ulric
(Post 8542008)
Are there solutions for constant heading? i.e. rhumb line navigation?
best bearing (so as to minimize speed variations) as a function of the starting point (lat/long) https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3s...it?usp=sharing the blue circle portion is the 18:29 ping ring associated (for the best bearing) mean speed as a function of the starting point (lat/long) https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3s...it?usp=sharing associated variability (std) of the speed as a function of the starting point (lat/long) https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3s...it?usp=sharing the best rhumb line trajectories exhibit a 27 kts standard deviation (speed variations) from their mean speed. |
Sorry to disrupt the BFO things, but why the 00:11 handshake has been at this time and not at 00:15?
A phone call at 18:41 (channel released at 18:40:56.354) seems to have zeroed the one hour timer at 18:41, so the handshakes at 19:41, 20:41; 21:41 and 22:41. All of them in a ± 30 seconds interval. The next would have been at 23:41, but there was another phone call at 23:13:58.407 with the channel release at 23:15:01.886. This might have reset the one hour timer and without any contact, we would expect the next handshake at 00:15. And later, it was at 01:15:56 (so a two hours + 56 sec from the time of the phone channel release) that a not answered handshake from the sat happened, because the "partial handshake" of 00:19 would have not reset the timer. But why a 4 minutes early HS at 0:11? From the Inmarsat data, it has been clearly initiated by the sat. Just a remark. At 00:19, the whole larger search zone (the grey zone, page 42, 47 of the PDF) was in daylight, with the sun just rising near 40S 85E, and about 20° above horizon near 17S 107E (at sea level). |
You guys having this discussion are obviously a whole lot smarter than me, as I was just a corporate pilot and now in "management". Would it make sense to take a 777 run it out where they think it went and see if these "pings", data points, signals and see if they match via all of these magical formulas? Just my thought.
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Thanks. The reason for asking about the rhumb line is that I'm looking for any assumption which might narrow down the possible heading. It occurred to me that the South Magnetic Pole might be a testable hypothesis if it could result in plausible tracks.
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Would it make sense to take a 777 run it out where they think it went and see if these "pings", data points, signals and see if they match via all of these magical formulas? |
On the FDR breaker(s) If someone has a CLG for a T7 they could shed some light to locations, but on a NG3 there are 4 breakers for the FDR not 1. Takes power from both AC and both DC buss. Don't want the FDR to stop if there is any power left...
Highly doubtful all 4 would pop at once. |
Would it make sense to take a 777 run it out where they think it went and see if these "pings", data points, signals and see if they match via all of these magical formulas? |
This claims to be the cockpit switch and breaker layout.
click on maintenance and the four panels shown can be selected and enlarged so you can read the breaker/switch functions. The enlarged views are not interative. Going back to top of page and select the other cockpit areas Overhead, Glareshield and pedestal , these are interactive. 777 Flight Deck Maintenance Panel Would pulling AIMS disable input to FDR and would you have to pull all of them? |
Originally Posted by HeyIts007
(Post 8539902)
Not sure, but what I do believe is that the US military have the airborne drone technology to conduct arial drone searches quickly. Thus they could have been checking out near all of the suspect areas for surface debris fairly promptly. With a Global Hawk RQ-4A or RQ-4A BAMS drone. They have high resolution cameras, approx. 1 metre resolution capable. They can search 40,000 square miles ( 200 x 200 miles ) in 24 hours.
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because this aircraft will also fall in fuel shortage as MH370 |
Originally Posted by Ulric
(Post 8542924)
Thanks. The reason for asking about the rhumb line is that I'm looking for any assumption which might narrow down the possible heading. It occurred to me that the South Magnetic Pole might be a testable hypothesis if it could result in plausible tracks.
...to compare to the final portion (between the 2 last ping rings) of the varied south legs (corresponding to varied ground speeds from 320 to 520 kts) https://drive.google.com/file/d/0B3s...it?usp=sharing |
The -300ER triple has no CB's on the overhead to remove power from the FDR. It receives all information from AIMS L/R. I am not aware of any alternate inputs to the FDR. Having both AIMS fail is very unlikely though the AIMS CB's are on the overhead.
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MH370: New evidence of cockpit tampering as investigation into missing plane continues - Telegraph
A report released by Australian air crash investigators has revealed that the missing Boeing 777 suffered a mysterious power outage during the early stages of its flight, which experts believe could be part of an attempt to avoid radar detection. |
That green rhumb line which just touches the top of the high probability area coincides exactly with a rough plot I made on Google Earth using some information about the ping arc diameters and a set of assumptions about how I think the track looks at the northern end.
Thank you for posting that. |
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