That's quite a cheap shot isn't it?

Sweet Jesus, you must be a joy to work with if you're giving this man such a hard time for having 4 beers in about 2-1/2 hours (and that would be the less time it could have taken according to his story) to take a flight as pax! That's LESS than a beer per half hour. C'mon now, make some sense! I bet you've had pax in this situation or perhaps a tad more "intoxicated" :rolleyes:, and you haven't even noticed.

This is the real world, and not everything is black and white. Good night

nice to see so many drinkers sticking up for each other.


we have a campaign in our state reminding people that even a little ''buzz'' is the same as drunk driving.

things are black and white...at least in this department.

would you allow a flight attendant to have a beer just before flight?

how about the mechanic who worked on the plane...a beer before he started working on something?


so, boys, thanks for the attacks on me...I'll consider the source.

When someone kicks off in a small, narrow tin can full of people at 35,000 feet it is terrifying.... there is no where to escape to. It's an experience that leaves a mark.

I gave someone the benefit of the doubt early in my career and if was a case of never, ever, again and that tends to be the experience with many Captains.

They're quite a fraternity. Well, they and smokers.

I'm not too sure how to word this as I do not wish to cause offence but I wonder how so many drunks appear to be able to board an aircraft and why alcohol is sold on board or supplied with meals even, or more especially, to those suspected of being intoxicated. Surely it would make more sense to discontinue this practice wouldn't it? As for on board duty-free sales, as I understand it (sorry if I'm wrong) all duty-free is kept locked away so why not keep it locked up until just before landing when the law of the land requires that it remain so and perhaps issue the purchaser with a numbered token in order to be able to collect is or her purchase? Even better, have a depot/counter/collection point on the ground. For duty-free purchases made in the terminal maybe a locked locker could be supplied for the duration of the flight. Just a thought or two.

Quite an interesting idea to starve passengers of oxygen until they pass out...

Perhaps even a little more interesting if passengers are frail or elderly with low blood oxygen levels or other passengers suffering emphysema or other chronic lung or heart diseases re-awake with some brain damage due to low oxygen levels or perhaps not re-awake at all?

flexible response


I suppose you might take a look at oxygen regulations and the post specifically saying 12,000ft


oh, and should someone with medical problems be drinking?

IF you are suffering from medical problems, a decent doctor would warn you about flying

and what if there was a massive pressurization problem...what would happen?


don't drink and fly.


One time a passenger showed up with a doctor's note saying she needed supplemental oxygen. We could not supply it. I called our medical team and they agreed and I denied her boarding.

flyboyike...you said a mouthful!

Passengers are subjected to so many indignities these days that a breathalyser before boarding wouldn't add much.

Anything over 0.05% and you can't fly (First Class excepted, 0.08% for Business Class).

Cut down on passengers, flights and thus global-warming.

I thought of it first!

:ok:

My airline now has instigated a procedure where by passengers can be breathalysed at the gate, and if twice the legal drink drive limit or more they can be removed from the flight without further warning.

Does your airline serve alcohol on board?

German mechanics probably drink beer while they're working on the aircraft. :rolleyes:

First of all, I'm not a drunk, I've never been drunk, I've never had a hangover, never had a DUI on my driver's license, and on every breathalyser test I've done, I've scored the same: 0.00%. I guess that doesn't make me a drunk.

Secondly, one thing is having a beer as a pax, and a different thing someone taking a beer on duty or before being on duty. Those two are miles apart.

Good to see you decided to make of this discussion a decent, adult one by calling everyone who had a different opinion than yours a drunk.

escape path...

I am a joy to work with, I don't drink anywhere near an airplane.

I didn't call YOU a drunk, I did say that drinkers seem to stick up for each other.


and boy aren't you sensitive, and making all sorts of statements about your record with drinking, proudly proclaiming breathalyzer results.

I've never had a breathalyzer test. Hmmm, why not?

Why not breathalyse 100% flight crew every flight before and after flight? The cost would be trivial and there would be no imputation implied.

Lemain. If you want to penalise the many because of the mistakes of the few, why don't we insist that everyone has to have a breath test in their drive before taking the car out? Oh, and before leaving work to drive home, coming from the supermarket........

Alcohol is not the issue, it's the behaviour of a tiny minority of people when they take it. I always have 2 or 3 whiskeys when flying long haul (assuming I don't have to drive when arriving), then promptly fall asleep, and I've never caused anybody any trouble. Some people are just violent, no doubt alcohol exacerbates this trait in them, but to punish us all by removing alcohol entirely is unfair. To those of you stating that you have never taken alcohol, I commend you, doubtless your long term health will be better as a result, but please don't harrangue the vast majority of the human population who use alcohol reponsibly

Herod I don't want to penalise anyone and I'm as fond of a drink as the next man. It's already accepted that for all practical purposes the drink/fly limit is zero. You'd be mad to risk your career squeaking just outside a test when such a tiny amount is permitted in any case. So there is no penalty for flight crew. Just blow into the Intoximeter and away. It would remove all the nonsense and whispered comments about so-and-so thinking they smelt drink on the captain or FO. A huge gain for essentially zero loss and would pick up the tiny number who have become, sadly, out of control.

Testing all passengers or all car drivers is totally different. It'll probably come to that one day, but hopefully I'll be well and truly over the yard-arm by then :ok:

flarepilot, you don't sound much fun to have a beer with... :}

Who do we run this industry for ?
 

In twenty years or so of flying passengers I have only had at tops two about two cases a year when a drunk passenger has been a problem and only one or two in that time have required any more than the drink being taken away.

Statistically the problem is not big enough to worry about until the day you are sitting next to the drunk idiot, then it becomes very personal.

I don't see any reason to change any of the rules and practices in the industry, we just need to enforce the rules that we have, the problem is that the quickest way for security staff to offload a problem is to load them onto the aircraft and shut the doors then it's not their problem unless they have over 100 mg of yogurt.

A long time ago my dad told me it was unwise to argue with idiots and drunks, unfortunately I have now had to add security screeners to that list.

Here is one way go deal with a drunk...

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