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ukdean 24th May 2013 13:04

Pia being escorted by typhoons from man to stn
 
Just breaking now

ukdean 24th May 2013 13:06

PIA stating for security reasons

JackRalston 24th May 2013 13:11

7700'ed over North Sea, circled near GOLES FL160 then headed back, RAF fighter jets escorted it, just landed at STN

ukdean 24th May 2013 13:18

Essex police state an "incident has occured" on the flight.

Flightmech 24th May 2013 13:19

It just landed and taxied north side to the 500 stands. Them Typhoons are noisy:ok:

ManaAdaSystem 24th May 2013 13:26

Incident on the plane, and 15 levels of officials have decided the best course of action was to escort the plane from MAN to the London area?

luoto 24th May 2013 13:28

There are incidents and incidents, of course, and the choice of STN may have a relevance dependent on the initial information and its processing. A clearer picture will no doubt emerge, as to whether that was the correct course of action based on available information.

It wouldn't normally happen, for example, if a pissed Swede was singing a little too enthusiastically.

shomas 24th May 2013 13:29

Stansted is the airport of choice for the UK government to divert aircraft to in the case of a disturbance or hijacking on board.
"This is because its design allows a hijacked airliner to be isolated well away from any terminal buildings or runways, allowing the airport to continue to operate while negotiations are carried out, or even while an assault or rescue mission is undertaken. Staff at the airport receive special training for dealing with hijacks."

London Stansted Airport - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

surely not 24th May 2013 13:31

Stansted is the designated airport in the UK for such incidents and has regular training exercises for those on the ground who will/might be involved in resolving the crisis. They know every hiding place etc etc to ensure that they have a successful conclusion.

Bringing the plane to STN is better than having it divert to a less well known (to those from Hereford) airport

Buster the Bear 24th May 2013 13:31

The red icon indicates it was wearing 7700

luoto 24th May 2013 13:34

Reuters: BRITISH SECURITY SOURCE SAYS EARLY INDICATIONS ARE THE DIVERTED PAKISTANI PLANE IS NOT THE SUBJECT OF A TERROR ATTACK

(of course, things can change: just like the "electrical problems" on 7/7 and the "small plane" on 9/11 but one should not jump to any conclusions either way.

ManaAdaSystem 24th May 2013 13:37


Stansted has been designated by the UK Government as its preferred airport for any hijacked planes requesting to land in the UK
He was already IN UK, so why drag him across the country into the London area? Why did they not do the same with the SAS flight who lost contact (a different tread in R&R)?

Unless the PIA flight is actually hijacked, that would certainly change the picture.

Man frm the Ministry 24th May 2013 13:43


The red icon indicates it was wearing 7700
This covers a multitude of issues.

Wearing a 7500 would be far more significant IMO

shomas 24th May 2013 13:45


He was already IN UK, so why drag him across the country into the London area? Why did they not do the same with the SAS flight who lost contact (a different tread in R&R)?

Unless the PIA flight is actually hijacked, that would certainly change the picture.
Because this isn't a lost comms issue, I have read on other sites that comms were in use at all times, the pilots were in contact with the typhoons and were told by them to divert to Stansted.

It's there because this is something more than normal, and Stansted is equipped with the best anti-incident staff/equipment for the whole UK, including an incident apron that is isolated from other buildings and aircraft.

I've just heard that on BBC this is regarding a, "threat", by individuals onboard. I would play safe than sorry if I was the government/MoD and immediately divert it to an isolated place than a busy Manchester airport that has no preparation for this.

eglnyt 24th May 2013 13:48


He was already IN UK, so why drag him across the country into the London area?
As others have said there are designated places for these things. You are going to either Stansted or Prestwick if somebody decides you need to be escorted anywhere.


Why did they not do the same with the SAS flight who lost contact (a different tread in R&R)?
They did, Prestwick is the other place designated for such flights.

ManaAdaSystem 24th May 2013 13:49

Didn't know that, thanks!

romy 24th May 2013 13:50

Information received by BBC from an indviidual in Manchester caused this.

Sir Herbert Gussett 24th May 2013 13:52


Originally Posted by ManaAdaSystem (Post 7859856)
He was already IN UK, so why drag him across the country into the London area? Why did they not do the same with the SAS flight who lost contact (a different tread in R&R)?

Unless the PIA flight is actually hijacked, that would certainly change the picture.

SAS flight diverted to Prestwick which has same standing as Stansted. Both are preferred airports for UK "at risk" flights. Not sure why you are trying to argue this point?

romy 24th May 2013 13:56

2 men arrested on suspicion of danger to an aircraft.

G-GOLF 24th May 2013 13:57

Essex Police - Boarded aircraft, 2 Arrests on suspicion of endangerment of an aircraft

Burnie5204 24th May 2013 13:58

From Sky News


Mashood Takwar, from Pakistan International Airlines, told Sky News that 25 minutes before landing Manchester air traffic control* contacted the pilot after apparently receiving some information from British security services.

Jetblu 24th May 2013 14:01

More here.

BBC News - RAF Typhoons scrambled after Pakistan Airline incident



Fighter Jets Scrambled To Passenger Plane

mickjoebill 24th May 2013 14:06

Two men arrested
 
Channel Four reporting that two men have been arrested on suspicion of endangerment of an aircraft.

Two arrested after RAF diverts Pakistan jet to Stansted - Channel 4 News

bacp 24th May 2013 14:06

Rather amusing that the ad under this thread is for "cheap flights to Pakistan". Mmmmm, maybe not!

DaveReidUK 24th May 2013 14:20

Shouldn't laugh, I know, but the BBC News Channel has been showing a live feed from their helicopter over Stansted for the last 15 minutes, panning repeatedly across the airport and it has only just managed to home in on the aircraft's location.

barry lloyd 24th May 2013 14:24


Shouldn't laugh, I know, but the BBC News Channel has been showing a live feed from their helicopter over Stansted for the last 15 minutes, panning repeatedly across the airport and it has only just managed to home in on the aircraft's location.
I'm watching Sky and they've only just managed to find it as well. Mind you the weather's not great, but there aren't too many 777s at Stansted!

demomonkey 24th May 2013 14:26


for the last 15 minutes, panning repeatedly across the airport and it has only just managed to home in on the aircraft's location.
Probably pre-arranged protocol in case any pesky terrorists aboard are using their iPhones (other brands are available) to watch the SAS preparing to storm the aircraft. Surprise is everything... :)

Ianp83 24th May 2013 14:30

Pia being escorted by typhoons from man to stn
 
Sky news also saying "source" claims two men tried to enter the flight deck

Ianp83 24th May 2013 14:31

Pia being escorted by typhoons from man to stn
 
A witness speaking in Urdu to Pakistani station Geo TV, said that two men over 6 feet tall tried to enter the pilot's cabin.

Essex Police have confirmed that two men have been arrested on suspicion of endangerment of an aircraft after the plane landed safely at Stansted.

Dak Man 24th May 2013 14:34

Maybe it was the crew trying to get back into the cockpit after a kip in J class..........

Flightmech 24th May 2013 14:42

Looks like the RH gear went off road as it taxied into the stand too:E or a wide heavy vehicle.

Piltdown Man 24th May 2013 14:52


Stansted is the airport of choice for the UK government to divert aircraft...
...because you don't want incidents like this buggering up BA and the like at Heathrow or Gatwick. Far better fouling up RYR and EZY operations.

skydiver69 24th May 2013 15:13

A BBC reporter just said that the pilot 'hit the panic button.' I've now got a vision in my head of two big red buttons in the cockpit with the words PANIC and DON'T PANIC written on them.

BOAC 24th May 2013 15:15

Surely it would be PANIC and CANCEL PANIC? Alternatively, just a PUSH TO PANIC (guarded) switch?

angels 24th May 2013 15:18

Dak Man - :ok:

Piltdown, it's been explained that STN is the English airport of choice because ops can carry on and the staff there have been especially trained/briefed on what to do.

Do you really think the security services have decided to send potentially dodgy aircraft to STN just to bugger MoL off?

I think it's all rather sensible.

Dak Man 24th May 2013 15:23

Semantics perhaps but shouldn't the crew have squawked 7500 and not 7700 as reported, or am I out of date on ICE codes?

Shaggy Sheep Driver 24th May 2013 15:33

7500 = hijack. 7700 = emergency.

So as far as can be ascertained, they used the correct one.

Dak Man 24th May 2013 15:43

Semantics again but IIRC 7500 is Interference not hijack, (7600 Comms, 7700 Emergency).

Basil 24th May 2013 15:44

What is it with these cnuts? We'd an incident on the approach to Kuwait when a passenger started standing up and shouting abuse at other pax. CC managed to get him seated before landing and I asked for police to meet us and arrest the guy whom, at that time, I guessed was an ethnically European Christian having a go at the locals.

By and by I suggested to the Chief of Police that a night in the cooler to teach him some manners might be in order but the Chief was reluctant to comply. Due mainly to curiosity I asked to see the man's passport. the Chief passed it to me and it was British but with an Arabic name; clearly an Islamic convert. Now that all was clear I just asked the Chief to hang onto him long enough for my crew to leave the airport which he obligingly did.

Upon our return for departure, our Kuwaiti agent said: "You know why they wouldn't arrest that man? He is Muslim convert."
NSS!

jackieofalltrades 24th May 2013 17:20


Semantics again but IIRC 7500 is Interference not hijack, (7600 Comms, 7700 Emergency).
Actually 7500 by definition is Hi-Jacking.

See Section 2.6 of ENR 1.6


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