Lionair plane down in Bali.
 

Lionair Plane crash on Bali , looks like a runway overrun all have survived.

Pay to fly airline, now also for Captain Upgrades... congratulations Lionair for singlehandedly being responsible for almost half the worldwide incidents on B737:ugh:
Get their AOC revoked NOW.

Aircraft ended up in water, broke in half.

Pesawat lion jatuh ke laut di bali ... Semoga Tuhan melindungi Photo - Brian Sitohang | Lockerz

here another picture of the Lion Air in the sea, taken from the air.
Aircraft is PK-LKS
http://t.co/fOHBi8BywQ
and
http://www.geenstijl.nl/archives/ima...iplanepica.jpg
and
https://twitter.com/infohots/status/...970112/photo/1

Taken from Indonesian forum
"A pilot landing a few mins earlier than the JT accident aircraft noted "conditions at the time were prone to windshear"

At least there are not sharklets in the water.

Speed brake?

I'll expand now.? Means where is it, not it caused it!

A quick look at the picture suggests it never made it to the runway as the perimeter fence seems intact. Any speculation on how it got there?

Well informed Indonesian aviation sources says the aircraft undershoot.
It never made the runway at landing at Denpassar airport. Runway is next to the ocean.

Aircraft is btw just two months old. Delivered by Boeing in February 2013 to Malindo (sister company of Lion Air based in Malaysia). After one month it went to Lion Air
Malindo Air - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Runway in use at Denpassar at time of crash was 09.

Bet the insurance will be interested in the details.
Boeing's recovery team is not going to fix this one....

It'll become a 'sunken wreck' for the scuba diving tourists.

AVherald reports the aircraft overrun after landing and went into the ocean.
Other reports mention it undershot:
1. runway 09 in use
2. aircraft is very close to final 09
3. windshear reported at 09
4. fence at 09 end still okay

Accident: Lionar B738 at Denpasar on Apr 13th 2013, overran runway and came to stop in sea

Li Ion
 

Doomed from the start.

Lion = Lithium Ion perhaps?

Great that all got out OK.

And just why did the hull crack where it did? At that point there should have been minimal forces compared to other areas.

Goodle Maps Satellite view of location here:

Denpasar, Bali, Indonesia - Google Maps

They all said it would happen to Lion air, they were right such a shame :(

Where is the stabiliser?

Your right Mike, the stab seems to have gone.

Lion Air are about to offer a "great new opportunity for engineers". A $50000 down payment gets you a place on our exclusive "pay to repair" scheme.:E

http://avherald.com/img/lionair_b738...r_130413_1.jpgnotice the fuselage has seperated behind the wings

Aside from how the aircraft ended up where it did, there should, at least be some credit for a successful evacuation. By all accounts, so far, all survived.

That rather depends on which part of the airframe hit the water first. As mentioned above, the apparently detached horizontal stabilizer might give a clue.

If it undershot 09, that's a water impact along way from the threshold. Sadly, Lion have a massive systemic problem at all levels but once again, its the Indonesian regulators that have failed in their duty to Audit this mob..corruption hits the mark every time. Lion should have had their AOC pulled years ago.

Possibly another Korean Air situation with the insures coming up ? ie Get some EXPERIENCED expats in the cockpit or no more coverage.

exactly. Since they are all alive, now I can tell, (call me crazy or nasty), but I am happy this story will open an investigation and point the lights on this airline...it had to happen soon or later anyway.

This page has an overview of B737 incidents and accidents. Indonesian airlines and Lion Air specifically are listed quite a few times.
PERFORMANCE REFERENCE HANDBOOK 737

From avherald
Lionar B738 at Denpasar on Apr 13th 2013, overran runway and came to stop in sea
Lionair B734 at Pontianak on Dec 30th 2012, runway excursion on landing
Lion B734 at Pontianak on Nov 1st 2012, overran runway on landing
Lionair MD90 at Jakarta on Mar 9th 2009, departed runway on landing
Lionair B739 at Pekanbaru on Feb 14th 2011, runway excursion on landing
Lionair B739 at Pekanbaru on Feb 15th 2011, overran runway on landing
Lionair B734 at Pontianak on Nov 2nd 2010, overran runway on landing
Lionair B734 at Pontianak on Nov 2nd 2010, overran runway on landing

<O'Leary mode on>Lion Air does operate a lot of flights per day<MOL mode off>

As Pucka says, "If it undershot 09, that's a water impact along way from the threshold" and looking at the sat image of the undershoot it is difficult to work out where and how. If it was, it was some undershoot!

Braviator - that does not make sense! "I believe it was an overrun from 27. There's no way it undershot 09. There is so much coral poking out of the sea on final it woulda been ripped to pieces." - same place??

Seeing the metars:
Metars:
WADD 130830Z 10008KT 9999 SCT017 29/25 Q1007 NOSIG
WADD 130800Z 10009KT 9999 FEW017CB SCT017 30/26 Q1007 NOSIG
WADD 130730Z 15006KT 110V270 9999 FEW017CB SCT017 30/25 Q1007 NOSIG
WADD 130700Z 09006KT 9999 BKN017 30/26 Q1007 NOSIG
WADD 130630Z 16003KT 090V190 9999 BKN017 30/25 Q1007 NOSIG
WADD 130600Z 18007KT 9999 BKN016 30/25 Q1007 NOSIG
WADD 130530Z 18008KT 9999 SCT015 FEW016CB 30/26 Q1008 NOSIG
WADD 130500Z 19005KT 150V210 9999 BKN015 30/25 Q1008 NOSIG

and the wind, there is not at first a microburst, gust or squall in my mind. How far away is wind mast from treshold?

Tim

The way Lion Air is operating...they have the odds stacked against them. Glad to see that everyone survived (apparently), this could have ended so much worse.

I'm a free market economics kind of person, but I have to admit, the older I get, the more I feel some of the basic assumptions are flawed. People simply aren't rational. And consumers often don't know what they buy. For outfits like Lion Air, eventually insurance companies might put their foot down and require certain conditions to be met (assuming they are rational), but hell yes, I'd sure like to see more government oversight for outfits like Lion Air, it could add an extra layer of safety, before it's too late (again assuming bureaucrats are rational).

Wow crazy they really need to beef up their standard if it was indeed pilot error:ugh:far too many times for Lionair, it really can`t be bad luck systematic bad flight crew and training, there are no shorts cuts to being a good pilot, hard work, experience, planning and relentless detail to flight regardless as someone mentioned Lionair has lots of flights.:=

On another note i seem to see a pattern with 737 that have overshot runways they seem to breakup, this was covered a few years ago on al jazeera with 2 boeing employees whistle blowing on bad company practices on manufacturing and build, seems they were spot on, and please:= this is not an airbus vs boeing observation, i flew both and love both:ok:, each have their own qualities. - just saying as i see it -

Picture of captain walking away from crash scene
https://twitter.com/ZulfikarOey/stat...191809/photo/1

320Busdriver
Just what I was thinking.

Indonesian govt where about to relax the 250 hrs on type rule to allow Lion air to employ less experience ( pay to Fly) pilots . Think it may cost Lion air even more now to make that happen .

AvHerald
 

Now saying it landed short while approaching 09:
Accident: Lionar B738 at Denpasar on Apr 13th 2013, came to stop in sea

Ref Aviation Herald "Radar data confirm the aircraft was approaching runway 09 and suggest the aircraft was about 100 feet below a 3 degrees glidepath descending at 700 feet per minute at a speed between 126 and 135 knots over ground, descending through 200 feet MSL about 1nm short of the touch down zone and 0.6nm short of the sea wall."

Reuters quoting several sources saying it ditched on approach to 09

All passengers safe as Lion Air plane lands in water in Bali | Reuters

A dutch news site mentions that the Captain announced an emergency landing shortly before the incident.

Does anybody have access to approach charts for WADD? What approaches are on offer there and what minima?

I'm not smart enough to copy the chart but 09 has a VOR/DME only, 470' MDA, 091 inbound (QDM 087). Entirely overwater.